Not a single "not true", except from Brian, not AI...

[Ford Motor Company]

Me seeing my name in a thread subject:

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[RickLightning]

Not doubting you, but I am pretty sure I have never seen a Tesla SC smaller than a dozen. My last trip had two Tesla charges - one was 40 stall (Baker, CA), and the other was 120 stall (Barstow, CA). Not that I fast charge near home, but within 5 miles of home there are 5 Tesla SC locations (all open to us). One is 24 stall and the other four are 16 stall.

Here's 3 I found in 2 minutes. There are many. Also Princeton, WV, Paris, TX, Gillette, WY...

 

[Deleted member 21405]

I think you have to put some of the blame on DC. The new administration has proven willing to do anything to squash anything that goes against big oil and coal, and has worked furiously to label climate change as a "woke hoax." I'm sure that besides cancelling any incentives, they have done what they could to directly pressure automakers.

How would that explain 3 years of poor sales? They’ve generally been pretty steady and low from almost the beginning

 

[Oafy44]

Farley already commented on it…years ago.

Someone better than me has to dig it up but there was an interview with him where he speaks to the differences of the F150 and the Lightning, the amount of engineering isn’t truly understood and appreciated. I don’t recall the exact words but the sentiment is the Lightning as we know it was a bit of a one and done.

The way I heard it is that doesn’t mean there won’t be an electric truck, just that the vehicle we know and love is serving its purpose and wasn’t intended to continue as it is.

I have to see if I can find that now..it was at back around launch.

Farley changes his mind biweekly so if he said it a month ago he already changed his mind.

 

[BluesClues]

we're all holding a future collector's car

 

[Deleted member 21405]

we're all holding a future collector's car

Don’t plan your retirement around it as a key asset…

 

[Traconesu]

They shut down the factory for a reason; it's not profitable. It seems pretty obvious to me the last Lightning has been produced. It doesn't matter if it's a great vehicle. There isn't a path to profitability.

It would be one thing if it was on the same assembly line as the other F150s. Maybe it could be justified. Unfortunately, it requires a completely different line. It's more profitable to make nothing in that building than it is to make Lightnings.

we're all holding a future collector's car

Could be if they stop manufacturing them. But right now the slowdown is impacted by the fire Ford had back in September 2025.

A fire at the Novelis aluminum plant in Oswego, New York on September 16, 2025, has significantly impacted Ford's production due to the plant being a key supplier of aluminum sheet. The fire is expected to cost Ford between $1.5 billion and $2.5 billion in profit this year, and has caused temporary pauses in F-150 and F-150 Lightning production to mitigate the impact. While the Oswego facility's hot mill is expected to resume operations by the end of December 2025, the fire will disrupt the auto industry's supply chain for months.

 

[DeluxeStang]

This is one of those moments where it's important for people to step away from how close they are to this issue. What I mean by this is everyone here is a lighting fan, pretty much all of you own one. So understandably, you all want to see it continue.

But the reality is in the border auto ecosystem, full-sized EVs are falling in their face. The lightning is like the best selling full-sized EV, and it's still not selling great. Sometimes you make a great product, and it just doesn't land with people, wrong tech, wrong price, wrong timing, and so on.

I want to see Ford push forward with t3, but when you're losing billions of dollars, it's hard to justify selling a product indefinitely. It's not because Ford doesn't care, it's because the auto industry doesn't care. If these large EVs were selling well, or at a profit, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

It's like when all the car enthusiasts say "Brands should make affordable sports cars" then a brand does, no-one buys it, the brand cancels it, and the cycle starts over.You can't blame brands for deciding to cancel a product that isn't selling well and losing billions of dollars.

I agree with Ford that given the current EV market, smaller, more affordable EVs are best use case for EVs at this moment in time, and EREV is a better solution for larger vehicles.

 

[Traconesu]

This is one of those moments where it's important for people to step away from how close they are to this issue. What I mean by this is everyone here is a lighting fan, pretty much all of you own one. So understandably, you all want to see it continue.

But the reality is in the border auto ecosystem, full-sized EVs are falling in their face. The lightning is like the best selling full-sized EV, and it's still not selling great. Sometimes you make a great product, and it just doesn't land with people, wrong tech, wrong price, wrong timing, and so on.

I want to see Ford push forward with t3, but when you're losing billions of dollars, it's hard to justify selling a product indefinitely. It's not because Ford doesn't care, it's because the auto industry doesn't care. If these large EVs were selling well, or at a profit, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

It's like when all the car enthusiasts say "Brands should make affordable sports cars" then a brand does, no-one buys it, the brand cancels it, and the cycle starts over.You can't blame brands for deciding to cancel a product that isn't selling well and losing billions of dollars.

I agree with Ford that given the current EV market, smaller, more affordable EVs are best use case for EVs at this moment in time, and EREV is a better solution for larger vehicles.

What's great about the light is it's an F150 so most the body parts are interchangeable. The only problem that I can see is after the 8 yr 100,000 mile warranty has expired. Until then I'm not worried an because of that I evb extended my bumper to bumper to the 8 yrs. That will get my 2022 to around 2030. I'll be 70 years old. By then maybe I'll let my children chauffeur me around. And who knows what ford will even be making by then. Maybe we'll have anti-gravity vehicles.

Opps I'll be 80 by 2030 fat fingers.

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