2023 Lariat that was Buyback/Lemon

[Sleazy-E]

Hello all,

Longtime, first time. I was looking at a truck for sale with a price that seemed to good to be true and upon further review I discovered it was bought back by Ford earlier this year due to battery issues. Below is what the dealer has provided but I’m an idiot and was hoping y’all might be able to decipher what exactly the deal is and if you’d run away from the truck.
Thanks!

Production Date	14-MAR-2023	Warranty Start Date	05-AUG-2023
Selling Dealer	121299	Selling Country	USA

GSAR Claim Key	Trx Code	Time In Service	Labor Hours	Dealership	DIST (Miles)	Repair Date	Prefix	Base	Suffix	Doc
Details	1108099	23S30	2	1	TIDELANDS FORD	2223	08-SEP-2023	*	*	*	245860A
	Customer Comments	REAR LIGHTBAR REPLACEMENT
	Tech Comments	REMOVED AND REPLACED REAR LIGHTBAR
Details	2248969	23B57	5	0.6	TIDELANDS FORD	8945	04-DEC-2023	*	10D672	*	248920A
	Customer Comments	HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY MODULE REPLACEMENT ANDOR BATTERY ENERGY CONTROL MODULE BECM SOFTWARE UPDATE
	Tech Comments	INSTALLED BECM UPDATES AS PER RECAL L23B57
Details	2443203	1	5	6.5	TIDELANDS FORD	8945	04-DEC-2023	NL1Z	78044D70	BD	248920C
	Customer Comments	CUSTOMER STATES THE DASH IS SEPARATING ON THE LEFT SIDE UPPER PORTION OF THE CLUSTER SURROUND. PART WAS ORDERED AND SHOULD BE IN. PLEASE INSPECT AND ADVISE.
	Tech Comments	REPLACED UPPER DASH DUE TO MISFIT AT HOLD DOWN
Details	2250111	1	5	3.1	TIDELANDS FORD	8945	04-DEC-2023	*	7G273	*	248920G
	Customer Comments	CUSTOMER STATES THERE IS A CLICKING SOUND WHEN ACCELERATING. CUSTOMER MENTIONED TSB 22-2395 RELATING TO THE SAME DESCRIBED NOISE. PLEASE INSPECT AND ADVISE.
	Tech Comments	VERIFY NOISE. PERFORMED TSB 22-2395. REPLACED FRONT AND REAR ANTI- TING WASHERS AND REQUIRED HARDWARE. ROAD TEST AFTER REPAIR. NOISE GONE
Details	2250085	1	5	0.2	TIDELANDS FORD	8945	04-DEC-2023	NL3Z	17B968	AA	248920D
	Customer Comments	CUSTOMER STATES THE LEFT FRONT LOWER VALANCEWONT STAY CLIPPED IN FULLY. LOCATED NEAR WHERETHE LF FOG LIGHT WOULD BE. PARTS WERE ORDEREDAND SHOULD BE IN. PLEASE INSPECT ANDADVISE.
	Tech Comments	INSTALLED FRONT VALANCE DUE TO WARP AGE
Details	2486727	23B70	6	0.3	TIDELANDS FORD	8950	25-JAN-2024	*	10C679	*	250642A
	Customer Comments	BATTERY MONITOR SENSOR REPLACEMENT
	Tech Comments	BATTERY MONITOR SENSOR REPLACEMENT PERFORMED ON 248920 12/04/23. RO OPENED PRIOR TO RELEASE OF RECALL. USING NEW RO NUMBER FOR CLAIMING PURPOSES ONLY ML3Z10C679B
Details	3261611	1	6	0.8	TIDELANDS FORD	10903	29-JAN-2024	ML3Z	1523201	G	250748A
	Customer Comments	CUSTOMER STATES THE LEFT FRONT WINDOW NEEDS ASSISTANCE FOR IT TO ROLL UP AT TIMES. OTHER TIMES IT TAKES 3-4 TIMES FOR IT TO ROLL ALL THE WAY UP. PLEASE INSPECT AND ADVISE.
	Tech Comments	VERIFIED CONCERN. FOUND BINDING WINDOW REGULATOR. REPLACED WINDOW REGULATOR AND RETEST. TEST OK
Details	3261073	22G06	6	0.7	TIDELANDS FORD	10903	29-JAN-2024	*	3F791	*	250748C
	Customer Comments	HEATED STEERING WHEEL PERFORMANCE U PGRADE
	Tech Comments	REPLACED SCCM AND STEERING WHEEL. PROGRAMMED SCCM. ENABLED HEATED STEERING WHEEL
Details	5837702	PRENT	15	0	BEACH FORD	25142	03-OCT-2024	*	RENTAL	*	730817D
	Customer Comments	CUSTOMER LOANER VEHICLE. R-10, VIN 1FTFW3LD7RFA30664. DATE OUT 10/03/2 4
	Tech Comments	CUSTOMER LOANER VEHICLE. R-10, VIN 1FTFW3LD7RFA30664. DATE OUT 10/03/2 4
Details	5837581	24P24	15	0.3	BEACH FORD	25142	03-OCT-2024	*	14A626	*	730817I
	Customer Comments	REPROGRAM THE FRONT HATCH CONTROL M ODULEFHCM
	Tech Comments	PERFORMED FHCM SOFTWARE UPDATE AND POWER HOOD INITIALIZATION PER RECALL INSTRUCTI ONS
Details	5837513	E83	15	0.7	BEACH FORD	25142	03-OCT-2024	ML3Z	13K359	BA	730817A
	Customer Comments	CUST STS TURN SIGNAL DOES NOT CANCEL, SEEMS TOGET STUCK WHEN TRYING TO TURN IT OFF. PROBLEMOCCURS MOSTLY WHEN SIGNALLING A RIGHT TURN. CHKAND ADVISE
	Tech Comments	VERIFIED CUSTOMER CONCERN. CHECKED FOR CODES. FOUND NONE. CHECKED FOR SYMPTOM CHARTS AND PINPOINT TEST. FOUND NONE. REMOCED MULTIFUNCTION SWITCH AND TESTED WITH KNOWN GOOD PART. WORKS WITH REPLACEMENT PART. ORDERED NEW MULTIFUNCTION SWITCH. REPLACED SWITCH AND RETESTED. TURN SIGNAL INDICATOR SWITCH NO CANCELS AFTER TURN.
Details	5839940	24B56	15	1.9	BEACH FORD	25142	03-OCT-2024	*	14G647	*	730817H
	Customer Comments	INOPERATIVE FRONT PARKING SENSORS - SOFTWAREUPDAT E IMAGE PROCESSING MODULE A
	Tech Comments	WHILE PERFORMING RECALL GOT ERROR C OM.FORD.OTX.COMMA ND.EXCEPTION.FDRSR UNTIMEEXCEPTION: PROBLEM EXECUTING HEX REQUEST. CONTACTED HOTLINE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. AFTER RESEARCH WAS ADVISED TO USE DCA 8000 BATTERY TESTER AS POWER SUPPLY. USING TESTER RAN IPMA PROGRAMMING FOR A THIRD TIME. IPMA PROGRAMMED SU CCESSFULLY
Details	6111878	E83	16	4.6	BEACH FORD	26214	07-NOV-2024	NL3Z	14A303	C	732984A
	Customer Comments	CUST STS CHARGER NOT CHARGING CORRECTLY, BATTERYPERCENTAGE IRREGULAR. SOMETIMES THE CHARGINGLIGHT IS ORANGE, SOMETIMES IT IS BLUE. CHK ANDADVISE
	Tech Comments	CONFIRMED VEHICLE NOT CHARGING CORRECTLY. SCANNED, FOUND P2C85 PRESENT. FOLLOWED PPT AL. AL1- TESTED SYSTEM WITH KNOWN GOOD EVSE CONNECTED. P2C85 CAME BACK. CHECKED CHARGE PORT FOR WATER INTRUSION, NONE PRESENT. REPLACED CHARGE PORT(HARNESS) (14A303) CLEARED FAULTS AND RETESTED SYSTEM. CHECKED MULTIPLE CHARGERS AND ALL WORK FINE NOW.
Details	7614897	E83	18	22.2	BEACH FORD	29832	07-JAN-2025	NL3Z	10C666	E	736509A
	Customer Comments	CUST STS EV CHARGING SYSTEM WILL NOT ALLOWPROPER CHARGE. VEH IS MAINLY CHARGED AT HOME ON240 CHARGER. SEEMS TO HAVE REVERTED TO HOW ITWAS BEFORE REPAIRS PERFORMED ON RO 732984. WILLNOT ACCEPT A CHARGE PROPERLY OR IS CHAR GINGEXCESSIVELY SLOW.
	Tech Comments	CONFIRMED STORED FAULT CONCERNING CHARGING SYSTEM. P2C85- HYBRID EV BATTERY VOLTAGE EXTERNAL ISOLATION FAULT. PERFORMED PPT AL. AL1 CLEARED FAULTS AND CONNECTED TO KNOWN GOOD CHARGER. PERFORMED SELF TEST. CODE RETURNED. AL2-INSPECTED CONNECTOR FOR WATER INTRUSION. NO CONTAMINATION FOUND. INSTRUCTED TO REPLACE CHARGE PORT/ HARNESS. REPLACED THIS LAST VISIT FOR SAME CODE/ CONCERN. CONTACTED HOTLINE FOR FURTHER DIRECTION. WAS DIRECTED TO UPDATE ALL MODULES AND DRIVE VEHICLE THEN CHECK FOR UPDATES AGAIN (M-TIME PUNCH FOR THIS). PROBLEM STILL THERE. INSPECTED CONNECTOR C292 AS DIRECTED BY HOTLINE (OK NO WATER INTRUSION). REMOVED HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY REPLACED HVB CONNECTOR PART # NL3Z-7G276-A. RETEST. PROBLEM STILL HERE. REMOVED BATTERY AGAIN, INSPECTED CIRCUITS INSIDE AS DIRECTED BY HOTLINE. NO CONCERNS FOUND, REPLACED POS AND NEGATIVE CONTACTORS PER HOTLINE. RETEST. SPW CHARGE CABLE ON A NEW LINE.
Details	7565560	E83	18	5.2	BEACH FORD	29832	07-JAN-2025	NL3Z	14A303	C	736509E
	Customer Comments	ADD ON LINE FOR ADDITIONAL CONCERN WAS APPROVEDBY __________ ON REPLACE THE CHARGE CABLE PERFSE
	Tech Comments	M TIME TO REMOVE CUSTOMER BELONGING IN FRUNK, EVAC AND RECHARGE AC. REMOVED AND REPLACED CHARGE CABLE ASSEMBLY (PER HOTLINE SUGGESTION). CHARGING PROBLEM STILL PERSISTS.
Details	8473335	RAVIN	21	1	CAPITAL FORD OF CHARLOTTE, INC.	29884	17-APR-2025	*	RAV	*	339266A
	Customer Comments	RAV INSPECTION: FILL OUT CHECK SHEET. ***** RAV REASON: BATTERY *****
	Tech Comments	VEHICLE CHARGED TO FULL BATTERY MULTIPLE OCCASIONS WITH APPROXIMATELY 600 MILES ROAD-TEST DRIVEN WITH NO ISSUES. NO ON- DEMAND DTCS PRESENT AND ALL SYSTEMS FUNCTIONING PROPERLY AT THIS TIME.
Details	8473454	P86	21	0	CAPITAL FORD OF CHARLOTTE, INC.	29884	17-APR-2025	*	6007	*	339266B
	Customer Comments	ICM STATES TO CHARGE VEHICLE, TO TEST HV BATTERY AND TEST DRIVE
	Tech Comments	CHARGED HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY TO 100% MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. NO ISSUES WITH DELAYED CHARGING TIMES AND BATTERY CONSUMPTION NORMAL. MSP A193261

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[Sleazy-E]

Using the Carfax terminology/what the dealer explained. Thanks for the info.

https://www.carfax.com/vehiclehisto...qGrKUbvArWDeVpKeUIhjJnn98M6WLfLSjhXp8DXj5Teaw

 

[TaxmanHog]

I only see the slow charging compliant as a point of concern, but post RAV inspection confirms the truck is working as designed.

NOTE The recent era of post COVID supply chain and other supply chain issues hamstrung the MoCo and dealers to fulfilling repairs in a "TIMELY" fashion, but once reacquired, they "EVENTUALLY" got repaired and were eligible for retail sale, much different than 21 years ago when it's was likely an inherent failure that would not be fixed and they scrapped the chassis.

 

[Heliian]

Nothing wrong with that truck at all.

 

[watts/up]

Buy back is an improper use of terminology as when Ford (Buys back) a vehicle, it's typically destroyed, sometimes they get donated to local voc-tech schools/community colleges and the like for teaching purposes, they are NEVER allowed to be resold EVER.

Disclaimer: Going on 21 year old information as that's how long it's been since I worked for Ford.

What you likely see is a customer trade in, probably due to all the repairs it has undergone since they bought it originally.

I don't think this is true at all. Why would they destroy a vehicle for what typically is a minor issue? There are a handful of users on this forum that have purchased Ford buy-back "lemon law" trucks. Capital Ford of Charlotte is one dealer that has been known to sell a lot of them. Here's a link to Victory Ford who specifically states they participate in reselling such vehicles.

 

[The Weatherman]

What if any extended warranty are they offering, if any?

With at least a 12mo warranty I would probably take a chance. Assuming the price is right.

 

[rdt7]

Hello all,

Longtime, first time. I was looking at a truck for sale with a price that seemed to good to be true and upon further review I discovered it was bought back by Ford earlier this year due to battery issues. Below is what the dealer has provided but I’m an idiot and was hoping y’all might be able to decipher what exactly the deal is and if you’d run away from the truck.
Thanks!

Production Date	14-MAR-2023	Warranty Start Date	05-AUG-2023
Selling Dealer	121299	Selling Country	USA

GSAR Claim Key	Trx Code	Time In Service	Labor Hours	Dealership	DIST (Miles)	Repair Date	Prefix	Base	Suffix	Doc
Details	1108099	23S30	2	1	TIDELANDS FORD	2223	08-SEP-2023	*	*	*	245860A
	Customer Comments	REAR LIGHTBAR REPLACEMENT
	Tech Comments	REMOVED AND REPLACED REAR LIGHTBAR
Details	2248969	23B57	5	0.6	TIDELANDS FORD	8945	04-DEC-2023	*	10D672	*	248920A
	Customer Comments	HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY MODULE REPLACEMENT ANDOR BATTERY ENERGY CONTROL MODULE BECM SOFTWARE UPDATE
	Tech Comments	INSTALLED BECM UPDATES AS PER RECAL L23B57
Details	2443203	1	5	6.5	TIDELANDS FORD	8945	04-DEC-2023	NL1Z	78044D70	BD	248920C
	Customer Comments	CUSTOMER STATES THE DASH IS SEPARATING ON THE LEFT SIDE UPPER PORTION OF THE CLUSTER SURROUND. PART WAS ORDERED AND SHOULD BE IN. PLEASE INSPECT AND ADVISE.
	Tech Comments	REPLACED UPPER DASH DUE TO MISFIT AT HOLD DOWN
Details	2250111	1	5	3.1	TIDELANDS FORD	8945	04-DEC-2023	*	7G273	*	248920G
	Customer Comments	CUSTOMER STATES THERE IS A CLICKING SOUND WHEN ACCELERATING. CUSTOMER MENTIONED TSB 22-2395 RELATING TO THE SAME DESCRIBED NOISE. PLEASE INSPECT AND ADVISE.
	Tech Comments	VERIFY NOISE. PERFORMED TSB 22-2395. REPLACED FRONT AND REAR ANTI- TING WASHERS AND REQUIRED HARDWARE. ROAD TEST AFTER REPAIR. NOISE GONE
Details	2250085	1	5	0.2	TIDELANDS FORD	8945	04-DEC-2023	NL3Z	17B968	AA	248920D
	Customer Comments	CUSTOMER STATES THE LEFT FRONT LOWER VALANCEWONT STAY CLIPPED IN FULLY. LOCATED NEAR WHERETHE LF FOG LIGHT WOULD BE. PARTS WERE ORDEREDAND SHOULD BE IN. PLEASE INSPECT ANDADVISE.
	Tech Comments	INSTALLED FRONT VALANCE DUE TO WARP AGE
Details	2486727	23B70	6	0.3	TIDELANDS FORD	8950	25-JAN-2024	*	10C679	*	250642A
	Customer Comments	BATTERY MONITOR SENSOR REPLACEMENT
	Tech Comments	BATTERY MONITOR SENSOR REPLACEMENT PERFORMED ON 248920 12/04/23. RO OPENED PRIOR TO RELEASE OF RECALL. USING NEW RO NUMBER FOR CLAIMING PURPOSES ONLY ML3Z10C679B
Details	3261611	1	6	0.8	TIDELANDS FORD	10903	29-JAN-2024	ML3Z	1523201	G	250748A
	Customer Comments	CUSTOMER STATES THE LEFT FRONT WINDOW NEEDS ASSISTANCE FOR IT TO ROLL UP AT TIMES. OTHER TIMES IT TAKES 3-4 TIMES FOR IT TO ROLL ALL THE WAY UP. PLEASE INSPECT AND ADVISE.
	Tech Comments	VERIFIED CONCERN. FOUND BINDING WINDOW REGULATOR. REPLACED WINDOW REGULATOR AND RETEST. TEST OK
Details	3261073	22G06	6	0.7	TIDELANDS FORD	10903	29-JAN-2024	*	3F791	*	250748C
	Customer Comments	HEATED STEERING WHEEL PERFORMANCE U PGRADE
	Tech Comments	REPLACED SCCM AND STEERING WHEEL. PROGRAMMED SCCM. ENABLED HEATED STEERING WHEEL
Details	5837702	PRENT	15	0	BEACH FORD	25142	03-OCT-2024	*	RENTAL	*	730817D
	Customer Comments	CUSTOMER LOANER VEHICLE. R-10, VIN 1FTFW3LD7RFA30664. DATE OUT 10/03/2 4
	Tech Comments	CUSTOMER LOANER VEHICLE. R-10, VIN 1FTFW3LD7RFA30664. DATE OUT 10/03/2 4
Details	5837581	24P24	15	0.3	BEACH FORD	25142	03-OCT-2024	*	14A626	*	730817I
	Customer Comments	REPROGRAM THE FRONT HATCH CONTROL M ODULEFHCM
	Tech Comments	PERFORMED FHCM SOFTWARE UPDATE AND POWER HOOD INITIALIZATION PER RECALL INSTRUCTI ONS
Details	5837513	E83	15	0.7	BEACH FORD	25142	03-OCT-2024	ML3Z	13K359	BA	730817A
	Customer Comments	CUST STS TURN SIGNAL DOES NOT CANCEL, SEEMS TOGET STUCK WHEN TRYING TO TURN IT OFF. PROBLEMOCCURS MOSTLY WHEN SIGNALLING A RIGHT TURN. CHKAND ADVISE
	Tech Comments	VERIFIED CUSTOMER CONCERN. CHECKED FOR CODES. FOUND NONE. CHECKED FOR SYMPTOM CHARTS AND PINPOINT TEST. FOUND NONE. REMOCED MULTIFUNCTION SWITCH AND TESTED WITH KNOWN GOOD PART. WORKS WITH REPLACEMENT PART. ORDERED NEW MULTIFUNCTION SWITCH. REPLACED SWITCH AND RETESTED. TURN SIGNAL INDICATOR SWITCH NO CANCELS AFTER TURN.
Details	5839940	24B56	15	1.9	BEACH FORD	25142	03-OCT-2024	*	14G647	*	730817H
	Customer Comments	INOPERATIVE FRONT PARKING SENSORS - SOFTWAREUPDAT E IMAGE PROCESSING MODULE A
	Tech Comments	WHILE PERFORMING RECALL GOT ERROR C OM.FORD.OTX.COMMA ND.EXCEPTION.FDRSR UNTIMEEXCEPTION: PROBLEM EXECUTING HEX REQUEST. CONTACTED HOTLINE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. AFTER RESEARCH WAS ADVISED TO USE DCA 8000 BATTERY TESTER AS POWER SUPPLY. USING TESTER RAN IPMA PROGRAMMING FOR A THIRD TIME. IPMA PROGRAMMED SU CCESSFULLY
Details	6111878	E83	16	4.6	BEACH FORD	26214	07-NOV-2024	NL3Z	14A303	C	732984A
	Customer Comments	CUST STS CHARGER NOT CHARGING CORRECTLY, BATTERYPERCENTAGE IRREGULAR. SOMETIMES THE CHARGINGLIGHT IS ORANGE, SOMETIMES IT IS BLUE. CHK ANDADVISE
	Tech Comments	CONFIRMED VEHICLE NOT CHARGING CORRECTLY. SCANNED, FOUND P2C85 PRESENT. FOLLOWED PPT AL. AL1- TESTED SYSTEM WITH KNOWN GOOD EVSE CONNECTED. P2C85 CAME BACK. CHECKED CHARGE PORT FOR WATER INTRUSION, NONE PRESENT. REPLACED CHARGE PORT(HARNESS) (14A303) CLEARED FAULTS AND RETESTED SYSTEM. CHECKED MULTIPLE CHARGERS AND ALL WORK FINE NOW.
Details	7614897	E83	18	22.2	BEACH FORD	29832	07-JAN-2025	NL3Z	10C666	E	736509A
	Customer Comments	CUST STS EV CHARGING SYSTEM WILL NOT ALLOWPROPER CHARGE. VEH IS MAINLY CHARGED AT HOME ON240 CHARGER. SEEMS TO HAVE REVERTED TO HOW ITWAS BEFORE REPAIRS PERFORMED ON RO 732984. WILLNOT ACCEPT A CHARGE PROPERLY OR IS CHAR GINGEXCESSIVELY SLOW.
	Tech Comments	CONFIRMED STORED FAULT CONCERNING CHARGING SYSTEM. P2C85- HYBRID EV BATTERY VOLTAGE EXTERNAL ISOLATION FAULT. PERFORMED PPT AL. AL1 CLEARED FAULTS AND CONNECTED TO KNOWN GOOD CHARGER. PERFORMED SELF TEST. CODE RETURNED. AL2-INSPECTED CONNECTOR FOR WATER INTRUSION. NO CONTAMINATION FOUND. INSTRUCTED TO REPLACE CHARGE PORT/ HARNESS. REPLACED THIS LAST VISIT FOR SAME CODE/ CONCERN. CONTACTED HOTLINE FOR FURTHER DIRECTION. WAS DIRECTED TO UPDATE ALL MODULES AND DRIVE VEHICLE THEN CHECK FOR UPDATES AGAIN (M-TIME PUNCH FOR THIS). PROBLEM STILL THERE. INSPECTED CONNECTOR C292 AS DIRECTED BY HOTLINE (OK NO WATER INTRUSION). REMOVED HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY REPLACED HVB CONNECTOR PART # NL3Z-7G276-A. RETEST. PROBLEM STILL HERE. REMOVED BATTERY AGAIN, INSPECTED CIRCUITS INSIDE AS DIRECTED BY HOTLINE. NO CONCERNS FOUND, REPLACED POS AND NEGATIVE CONTACTORS PER HOTLINE. RETEST. SPW CHARGE CABLE ON A NEW LINE.
Details	7565560	E83	18	5.2	BEACH FORD	29832	07-JAN-2025	NL3Z	14A303	C	736509E
	Customer Comments	ADD ON LINE FOR ADDITIONAL CONCERN WAS APPROVEDBY __________ ON REPLACE THE CHARGE CABLE PERFSE
	Tech Comments	M TIME TO REMOVE CUSTOMER BELONGING IN FRUNK, EVAC AND RECHARGE AC. REMOVED AND REPLACED CHARGE CABLE ASSEMBLY (PER HOTLINE SUGGESTION). CHARGING PROBLEM STILL PERSISTS.
Details	8473335	RAVIN	21	1	CAPITAL FORD OF CHARLOTTE, INC.	29884	17-APR-2025	*	RAV	*	339266A
	Customer Comments	RAV INSPECTION: FILL OUT CHECK SHEET. ***** RAV REASON: BATTERY *****
	Tech Comments	VEHICLE CHARGED TO FULL BATTERY MULTIPLE OCCASIONS WITH APPROXIMATELY 600 MILES ROAD-TEST DRIVEN WITH NO ISSUES. NO ON- DEMAND DTCS PRESENT AND ALL SYSTEMS FUNCTIONING PROPERLY AT THIS TIME.
Details	8473454	P86	21	0	CAPITAL FORD OF CHARLOTTE, INC.	29884	17-APR-2025	*	6007	*	339266B
	Customer Comments	ICM STATES TO CHARGE VEHICLE, TO TEST HV BATTERY AND TEST DRIVE
	Tech Comments	CHARGED HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY TO 100% MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. NO ISSUES WITH DELAYED CHARGING TIMES AND BATTERY CONSUMPTION NORMAL. MSP A193261

I bought a buy-back from Capitol Ford. It was also a 2023 Lariat. This was May and I've put about 5000 miles on it with no issues. My repair list was not nearly as long as yours however. The vehicle came from CA where buy-back laws favor the owner and many vehicles are returned for more minor issues.

 

[LSUT1GER]

What's the price and warranty?

 

[RickLightning]

Buy back is an improper use of terminology as when Ford (Buys back) a vehicle, it's typically destroyed, sometimes they get donated to local voc-tech schools/community colleges and the like for teaching purposes, they are NEVER allowed to be resold EVER.

Disclaimer: Going on 21 year old information as that's how long it's been since I worked for Ford.

What you likely see is a customer trade in, probably due to all the repairs it has undergone since they bought it originally.

I would walk away from it regardless.

Ford buys back vehicles, sometimes lemon law, sometimes not, fixes them, and then offers them for sale. Sometimes title is changed to note that also.

 

[efme]

There is a South Carolina dealer that sells buy back cars all the time. Most of their lightnings are buy backs according to the Carfax

I think that's completely wrong they don't fix and resell buy backs with a branded title. It's clear as day they aren't trade ins

 

[watts/up]

I believe that if it's a buy-back it must be disclosed as such on the title however this may vary by state. A quick search shows that SC should note it:

https://www.scdmvonline.com/Vehicle-Owners/Titles/Title-Brands

 

[efme]

I never said they weren't disclosed. Like I said, the Carfax says buy back. They don't hide it. But it's wrong to say Ford doesn't sell buy backs and we're all misreading trade in as buy back on a carfax

 

[watts/up]

For me I think what it comes down to is the delivery.

What may have been true 21 years ago may not be true today and (in my opinion) the post should start with that rather than including a disclaimer and then continuing to state that what the user is referring to is a trade-in especially when there are posts on the forum indicating otherwise.

Re-reading your post and follow-up I see where you're coming from and I do appreciate your insight and experience, I was just pointing out the discrepancy as it relates to the question starting this thread.

 

[efme]

If you had read my post ENTIRELY you would have known I was talking about what they did 21 years ago when I worked for Ford. I didn't say it was still the case and the reason I put the (21 years ago factoid) in my post.

Ok man. I read the whole thing. Your topic of your reply is a statement as a matter of fact then mentioning a caveat is not the same as starting with the caveat.

All of your replies since is you discrediting yourself. Very odd.

Anyways it's clear Ford sells buy backs from the replies and what is listed for sale online today.

 

[RickLightning]

I'm aware of that, I did work for ford for 11 years after all. I stated they buy back and DON'T resell vehicles they have tried to and failed to fix, I'm not talking about lease buy backs or customer satisfaction buy backs, I'm talking about CAN'T BE FIXED buy backs.

And again,....... this is TRUE 21 years ago, I have no idea in this day and age if they resell vehicles they can't fix or not, seems counterproductive to do something like that that becomes a liability not to mention the bad blood and adverts they get from selling broken junk.

Ford has been fixing and reselling both Mach-Es and Lightnings, many with the title noting that.

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