Important Update: Ford EV Roadmap & Future of F-150 Lightning (EREV Next Gen Model) - ⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS

[djwildstar]

is that a fact? their cars get excellent safety ratings.

Yes -- Tesla vehicles do get excellent safety ratings. However, in late 2024 iSeeCars used data from the US Fatality Analysis Reporting System to compute fatalities per billion vehicle-miles. At that time the most-recent data covered through the end of 2022.

Looking at carmakers, Tesla had the most fatal accidents, 5.6 per billion vehicle-miles. The rest of the top 5 are Kia (5.5), Buick (4.8), Dodge (4.4), and Hyundai (3.9). The overall average for carmakers in the US market is 2.8.

This rate - fatalities per billion vehicle-miles - is an arguably "fair" metric of how dangerous a given vehicle is to actually drive. The report explicitly points out that many of these vehicles have excellent safety ratings, and that the reported fatality rates are likley a combination of vehicle size, driver behavior, and driving conditions. For example, performance sports cars represented by the Chevy Corvette, Mitsubishi Mirage, and Porsche 911 are all in the top-5 most-dangerous models. Small, lightweight, and inexpensive vehicles are represented by the Hyundai Venture (in the #1 most-fatal spot) and Honda CR-V hybrid (#5). The Tesla Model Y hit the #6 slot.

In the case of Tesla, I suspect that it is a combination of multiple factors. Most Tesla vehicles are small, and also perform significantly better than comparable vehicles. Tesla sells very few large vehicles, which will tend to skew their fleet fatality rates higher like it does for Kia and Hyundai. It is also possible that Tesla's driver assistance systems are partially to blame. Finally, the small size of Tesla's fleet (under 2 million) means that a relative few fatal accidents will significantly raise the fleet average.

I'd be interested in seeing what the numbers look like with 2024 and 2025 data in them.

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[davehu]

The new midsize truck will be interesting. If they keep it at current Maverick/Ranger price levels I'm anxious to see how many they can sell. If sales continue to be miserable on a sub-$40k BEV truck then that'll pretty much be the nail in the coffin for the Ford EV program I would say. Fingers crossed that it does well...

As far as the EREV Lightning replacement goes, I can't wait to see more. THIS is the truck that'll be most interesting. I saw today that Scout is now up to 150,000 reservations for their new entry into the segment and 85% of those are for the EREV version. CLEARLY after all we've seen in the last few years it is obvious people still want gasoline convenience and practicality in their trucks.

C'mon @Ford Motor Company , give us more EREV news!

don't get too far out ahead of you skis.... there were 200,000 reservations for the Lightning and. . .

 

[PJnc284]

don't get too far out ahead of you skis.... there were 200,000 reservations for the Lightning and. . .

Yup then people see the actual cost. Same happened with the refrigerator. Time will tell whether or not people put their money where their mouth is. $100 is peanuts compared to the actual cost.

 

[mr.Magoo]

If this is any indication on the price of the EREV, then

Ramcharger Larmie trim for $110,000

https://www.reddit.com/r/RamchargerBEV/s/G8ChuTpoxg

 

[PJnc284]

If this is any indication on the price of the EREV, then

Ramcharger Larmie trim for $110,000

https://www.reddit.com/r/RamchargerBEV/s/G8ChuTpoxg

Odd they still have it shown as Ramcharger since that name doesnt exit anymore.

 

[Zprime29]

The window sticker said it was a 2025 model, which didn't happen. It also listed about a dozen options added. I'm skeptical that the price is accurate for what will be released. I'm sure the top line will be in that region, but that ain't a starting price. At least I sure hope it ain't. Who could be that dense to think it would sell at all?

 

[El Duderino]

The window sticker said it was a 2025 model, which didn't happen. It also listed about a dozen options added. I'm skeptical that the price is accurate for what will be released. I'm sure the top line will be in that region, but that ain't a starting price. At least I sure hope it ain't. Who could be that dense to think it would sell at all?

I agree about the pricing being dense

I dug through the Reddit post and the original poster there commented that the staff in the booth at that auto show told him, the sticker they put in the window was what they were given to put up...

That price is DOA in my opinion... it will sell less than the Charger EV did...

But there were some insane lease deals on the Charger EV... Sub $200 leases... Fingers crossed it happens again

 

[TruckOwner1]

Confirmed, Farley takes wrong message from poor EV sales. Instead of realizing the dealerships are the issue, he blames the product!

https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-ceo-customer-spoken-ev-business-lost-billions-2026-2

 

[Mathmatic]

Hi Brian, are you allowed to tell us if the next Lightning will be available in different bed and cabin configuration? Thanks!

 

[Lightning Rod]

Hi Brian, are you allowed to tell us if the next Lightning will be available in different bed and cabin configuration? Thanks!

Uh... the Lightning has been discontinued.

Do you mean the erev truck when/if it come out?

 

[Mathmatic]

Yes I’m talking about the next Lightning( EREV)

 

[El Duderino]

It's a great question. If you wanted to sell more than the lightning electric truck did, you would think a six and a half a bed configuration would be on the table. But I'm guessing they're not going to tell us anything right now.

 

[bc1]

It's a great question. If you wanted to sell more than the lightning electric truck did, you would think a six and a half a bed configuration would be on the table. But I'm guessing they're not going to tell us anything right now.

Hey Dude. I see you list your 25 Flash with 131 KWH battery as a Job 1. I've seen others as a Job 2. I have the 25 Flash with the same battery. What is the deal with the Job numbers and how do I tell what I have? Thanks. This question is open to anybody.

 

[Maineiac12]

Hey Dude. I see you list your 25 Flash with 131 KWH battery as a Job 1. I've seen others as a Job 2. I have the 25 Flash with the same battery. What is the deal with the Job numbers and how do I tell what I have? Thanks. This question is open to anybody.

Pretty sure it’s based off your production date. There was a cutoff when ford switched the battery out for the 25’s. The build guide on the forum shows the difference in specs between job 1 & 2. I think you can find the build date on your window sticker.

 

[El Duderino]

Yep, as said above. Job 1 vs Job 2 has existed in F150 production for decades. During a model year run, they shutdown the line and swap factory over to Job 2 changes. So every year F150 and in this case Lightning, has differences in the same model year. It's a Ford thing.

In 2025 there was several Job 2 changes including battery change to 123kWh on Flash, elimination of spare tire as standard, etc. I searched for a Job 1 because I wanted larger battery and a spare tire. Not deal breaker stuff but if you know the difference, you can make a choice for yourself.

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