Traded my 2023 for a 2025

[TaxmanHog]

That smart hitch delete, is that talking about where you can steer a trailer easier with a knob on the dash and some decals you put on the trailer? If so, then that's another missprint because I have all that. I do not have the scales.

This is print is for Job 2 changes., is your 25 Flash from Job 1?

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[TaxmanHog]

Job 2 I have the 123 batt as well. Built in Feb of 25.

So you only lost the scales & smart hitch for tongue weight load value tied to the lost scale.

The Pro trailer Backup Assist is different.

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...f150-lightning-order-guide-8-26-24-pdf.88311/

 

[PJnc284]

I trust the GOM about as much as I trust Farley not to flip flop.

 

[shelnian]

Did you perform a factory reset when you bought it? That resets your GOM back to factory specs so only battery temperature will impact the displayed GOM.

 

[Charles Juedemann]

You guys trading n those early models for ‘25s. How are the trade deals? Did Ford compensate at all on trade in value or incentives?

No. I do not think I got a great deal, they knew I wanted a new one and held firm.

 

[Charles Juedemann]

You don't get the range because it's a smaller battery. Taxman already explained that but I guess you missed it.

There are 3 battery sizes for these trucks, 98kWh, 123kWh, and 131kWh. 123 being the newest size.

I was never told that by the dealer or Ford.

 

[Charles Juedemann]

You don't get the range because it's a smaller battery. Taxman already explained that but I guess you missed it.

There are 3 battery sizes for these trucks, 98kWh, 123kWh, and 131kWh. 123 being the newest size.

OP said it's a Lariat, which I think still gets the 131kwh battery?

I think his issue isn't that the range in the '25 is any different. I think it's just that the range estimate is being calculated differently. The new truck may say it only has 285 miles of range, but he may get the same range as his '23 if tested side by side and driven until the battery dies. The '25 may be under estimating, and the '23 may have been overestimating.

I got that. The dealer never told me I was getting a smaller battery.
I just assumed it was the same as my 2023.

 

[RickLightning]

Wow, this thread had so many incorrect statements until corrected...

OP never states his miles per kWh on old vs new, instead relying on the GOM without understanding that perhaps the algorithm in the 23 is not the same as the 25. Bet the miles per kWh is the same.

I cannot imagine buying anything this expensive without doing research and not knowing the Lightning was discontinued 4 months ago or that it had a heat pump. Wonder how much the OP was under water on the 23. Yikes!

 

[TaxmanHog]

I got that. The dealer never told me I was getting a smaller battery.
I just assumed it was the same as my 2023.

If you bought the Lariat, as stated in post #7 ...... it still has the same 131 kWh HVB as your 2023

 

[Ragman]

Those who know will be combing used market for either delete free 22s in lariat or platinum or 23s in xlt er trims.

Owning two 24+s not a fan, the heat pumps are destined to be wear items (things almost run non stop in parking lot), smaller battery, and give me back the dual chargers...

 

[chriserx]

So I'm gonna chime in with what tires did your old truck have vs the new truck, and what PSI? Could be as simple as that.

 

[Charles Juedemann]

So I'm gonna chime in with what tires did your old truck have vs the new truck, and what PSI? Could be as simple as that.

There is a little misunderstanding here. It is not the range. Range has many factors that change. It is the total charge. I always had 320 mils or better on my 23. The 25 will only charge to 265-285. The range can be calculated by looking at the kwh used per mile. I know my truck. I drive the same route 175 miles one way every week. The 25 does NOT have the same range as the 23. In the past I always had 138miles left on the truck, the 25 is usually 85-95 and THAT is a big difference. Too big. AND, if I take it to the dealer and they do not find an error code, they bill me $200. I am going on vacation so will not be around for a month.. Bye for no.

 

[PJnc284]

You're putting way too much stock in the GOM. Get an obdii dongle and something like car scanner to see how many kWh it's showing and any voltage variation. Also if you look up under the truck behind the driver's front tire, you should see a sticker on the battery and it should show 143.1kWh. The only true way to compare the trucks would be to run both to 0 and see see how much energy was pulled and then charge back to 100 to see how much it takes (of course some will be charging losses).

 

[Charles Juedemann]

You're putting way too much stock in the GOM. Get an obdii dongle and something like car scanner to see how many kWh it's showing and any voltage variation. Also if you look up under the truck behind the driver's front tire, you should see a sticker on the battery and it should show 143.1kWh. The only true way to compare the trucks would be to run both to 0 and see see how much energy was pulled and then charge back to 100 to see how much it takes (of course some will be charging losses).

I know my truck and I know how far I can go. I do not change my driving habits. The 25 does not do as well as the 23. Stickers, kwh, and claims mean nothing. It is the actual driving that counts.

 

[TaxmanHog]

There is a little misunderstanding here. It is not the range. Range has many factors that change. It is the total charge. I always had 320 mils or better on my 23.

WHEN you you charged to 100% ........ this is a misleading value that many ~experienced~ EV drivers called out early in the introduction of the Lightning, FoMoCo dicked around with the algorithms in OTA's on 22 & 23 trucks, to no ones statisfaction.

In all honesty, they moderated the optimistic value {320 miles at 100%} to something lower.

At the moment I've reset my driving history and am doing my quarterly balancing charge to 100%, the 131 kWh HVB is taking a long time to get to 100% I'll let it run all night if needed, but what I'm seeing so far is that the overly optimistic value is back since I've removed the deplorable winter performance data.

When I parked to start charging, I drove 89 miles of around town speeds, off the plug cabin conditioning, remote starts before every drive for 7 days with no midweek charging, consumed 42% SOC or ~ 55.02 kWh, that results in real performance of 1.62 miles per kWh far less than 2.443 miles per kWh {320 miles}. Conclusions base on my driving style is a realistic range of 212 miles from SOC 100% to SOC 0%

Early in the process check:

By the time this is done balancing, I'll have the ideal 320 miles of potential range in ideal climate conditions, which I won't get with cold temps around 50's {f} this week.

EDIT for final values, predicting 319 miles now, but 15 minutes prior it showed 321, temps dropped.

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