BEV or EREV, May The Best Truck Win

[ElectrifyingMe25]

Ford should have continued with the BEV Lightning and offered new battery technology on next year's models that would increase the range. More range is the greatest desire of all Lightning owners.

Ford should have continued with the BEV Lightnings, and they could have produced the EREVs in the same factory. Remember, the Lightning is built on the ICE platform to begin with. Most of the bolt holes are already there for mounting an engine.

Ford customers would let Ford know which platform they desired most. And, I can tell you the answer now.... Both trucks would help one another capture more of the total market share of trucks.

Ford missed an opportunity to show the world it produces the best trucks and gives its customers what they need. As it is now, they look chaotic with a plan that's not well though out.

Whatever company produces a BEV full-sized truck that is reasonably priced, and gets a solid 500 miles of range, wins. The name on the truck doesn't matter.

EREVs will likely win the towing business. It's hard to put a big enough battery on a truck to satisfy the demands of towing.
On the flip side, the daily driver guys don't want to put up with an ICE. We've discovered the better life. It will always be BEVs for us..... always.

Ford needs of offer both the BEV and EREV to satisfy market demands.

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[ZeusDriver]

I think you are absolutely right on every point.

>> Ford missed an opportunity to show the world it produces the best trucks and gives its customers what they need. As it is now, they look chaotic with a plan that's not well though out. <<
Definitely. I have an affinity for Ford, having consulted for them many years ago. Lots of good people in the middle levels. But the CEOs have been unimpressive, with the current one just off the rails, with one reactionary policy after another. There is no long term vision.

 

[Lightning Bronson]

I wonder who's going to be the first to put the same genny in the EREV into the original bevvy Lightning...

 

[ZeusDriver]

I wonder who's going to be the first to put the same genny in the EREV into the original bevvy Lightning...

Or how about an APU from an airliner? Mount it and the diesel tank at the front of the bed. Two big chrome stacks, one per side, to put the noise and fumes away from the driver.

 

[ZheWiz]

I don't need more range. Faster charging would suffice for those rare occasions when I need more range. More range would only be fine if it came WITHOUT additional weight.

 

[Grease Lightning]

More range is the greatest desire of all Lightning owners.

My extended range is perfectly adequate for me. I think you are talking about your own personal perception and the preconceived notions of the weekend warriors that they need 700 miles of range…which we all know is total bullshit. While 700 sounds nice, your bladder needs to be expelled long before that 8-10 hours….

So the reality is still infrastructure, uniform location of the charge port, and charge speed. A 200 mile 10-80% towable range would work for the masses if we had a higher charge rate. So my Lightning claims 40 minutes to charge to 80. If the manufacturer can get that down to 25, I am good to go with no concerns as most pit stops end up being 10-15 minutes if the family is in tow. For long haul people that still doesn’t work maybe, but for that the EREV is the right answer.

 

[csukoh78]

I don't need more range. Faster charging would suffice for those rare occasions when I need more range. More range would only be fine if it came WITHOUT additional weight.

100%. I don't mind stopping for charging if on a road trip, what I do mine is sitting there for 45 minutes while the GM gets twice as much range in half the time.

 

[Heliian]

while the GM gets twice as much range in half the time.

LOL, tell that to the guy in the Silverado who blocked 2 chargers at a Tesla station for who knows how long while i was in and out way faster. I actually drove up on the curb behind the row so I could plug in. Maybe he was going further but the "twice as fast" scenario would only be under ideal conditions if possible.

 

[csukoh78]

LOL, tell that to the guy in the Silverado who blocked 2 chargers at a Tesla station for who knows how long while i was in and out way faster. I actually drove up on the curb behind the row so I could plug in. Maybe he was going further but the "twice as fast" scenario would only be under ideal conditions if possible.

I find that the Tesla chargers purposely slow down non-Tesla vehicles. My Ford lightning drops off precipitously if I am paying for the subscription, at one charger I was only getting 70 and I was the only one there! I think Tesla Max is out at 250 but you'll never convince me that Tesla doesn't punish non-Teslas for using their services. I go to a different charger and pull 165 almost the entire time until I get to 80%. And yes that's with full conditioning.

 

[chriserx]

I find that the Tesla chargers purposely slow down non-Tesla vehicles. My Ford lightning drops off precipitously if I am paying for the subscription, at one charger I was only getting 70 and I was the only one there! I think Tesla Max is out at 250 but you'll never convince me that Tesla doesn't punish non-Teslas for using their services. I go to a different charger and pull 165 almost the entire time until I get to 80%. And yes that's with full conditioning.

Most if not all Tesla stations I've been to are 250, not sure about the Bucee's one I go to. I've never encountered them throttling the charge speed outside of the truck throttling for pack heating. The only reason I could think of for why they would intentionally do it is to make their cars look better, but that would be a disservice to everyone else that needs the station. Teslas included.

 

[PJnc284]

LOL, tell that to the guy in the Silverado who blocked 2 chargers at a Tesla station for who knows how long while i was in and out way faster. I actually drove up on the curb behind the row so I could plug in. Maybe he was going further but the "twice as fast" scenario would only be under ideal conditions if possible.

Also depends on the charger. The GM twins and other 800v EVs are better off on an EA 350 or other charger that can push higher voltage.

I find that the Tesla chargers purposely slow down non-Tesla vehicles. My Ford lightning drops off precipitously if I am paying for the subscription, at one charger I was only getting 70 and I was the only one there! I think Tesla Max is out at 250 but you'll never convince me that Tesla doesn't punish non-Teslas for using their services. I go to a different charger and pull 165 almost the entire time until I get to 80%. And yes that's with full conditioning.

165 may be a bit of a stretch. After about 20min, the curve on the lightning lightning drops down to 120 up until 80%.

 

[Mcclure24lightning]

Who is going to buy A REV for towing, when most charging places as of now you would need to unhook your trailer to charge .

 

[Mcclure24lightning]

If I was the CEO of Ford I would still tell my engenering department to get off thir as"es and find away to add a REV engine to the lightning as it is made now. We know it could be done .and alot cheaper that starting all over.The infostrucker is already there.

 

[Landscaper]

Who is going to buy A REV for towing, when most charging places as of now you would need to unhook your trailer to charge .

what?!?!

If I was the CEO of Ford I would still tell my engenering department to get off thir as"es and find away to add a REV engine to the lightning as it is made now. We know it could be done .and alot cheaper that starting all over.The infostrucker is already there.

Are you drunk?

 

[Henry Ford]

Ford has lost over $100,000 on each MachE and Lightning it sold. I think instead of telling them they should keep doing that we should just say, thank you.

Thank you, @Ford Motor Company

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