RIP RAM BEV

[trev5150]

Just rent the whole truck. Plenty of places rent pickup trucks that would meet the needs for occasional longer range trips and towing. Much cheaper to pay $300-$400 for a weekend rental a few times per year than sit on $20,000 more expensive vehicle.

Nonsensical premise. The person who could buy any such truck and only use it a few times a year for long trips because they have other vehicles to rotate through doesn't really care about the money in the first place or buys it through their LLC as an expense.

And no one buys such a truck and only uses it occasionally.

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[trev5150]

I don't understand the appeal of this at all. EV trucks are great for people that don't do a lot of long distance driving. If that's your use case, you gain, low cost operation, a frunk, etc... There is a huge market for those that don't do long range driving but politics and poor marketing have not allowed people to understand the distinction of the two types of drivers (in other words, its not for everyone but it may be for you). There is equally a huge market of buyers that do a lot of long distance driving. So with this REV, you lose your frunk or a section of your bed for this heavy generator 100 pounds isn't that heavy, regardless if you use it or not (a loss of efficiency 100 pounds is barely noticeable). Your battery will be smaller to offset this weight unlikely, meaning you will go through its life cycles faster unlikely. You must now go to gas stations occasionally and do oil changes again simple task - not a bad trade off. If you don't use your generator often, the fuel gets stale and the seals dry up the lacquering process is a scare tactic that takes take many more years than people will have you think - use the generator every once in a while, do preventive maintenance checks and services and use fuel stabilizers. You also gain the complexities and expense of specialty repairs well that was EV's to begin with and becomes a moot point with adoption, so that point is a wash. Why in the world would you get something like this over a proven ICE f150 if you do a lot of long distance driving? Why are you here then? All I see are problems waiting to happen for no extra benefit other than saying look at me I am saving the planet by hauling around a gas generator in my inefficient EV truck. All it takes is enjoying that acceleration to justify the EV truck.

Responses in line. Thermodynamics is not your friend in your arguments.

 

[Altivec]

Responses in line. Thermodynamics is not your friend in your arguments.

100lbs???? Where did you get that info? From what I know of the truck, it's going to have a 3.6L Penstar V6. That engine alone is over 400lbs, then you have a 27 gallon gas tank, where the fuel alone weighs close to 200lbs. Then you have Oil, cooling, and all the extra components/wires required to convert mechanical energy to electricity. Maybe thermodynamics lied about being your friend too.

 

[Maquis]

We had 3 Chrysler family minivans over the years. They got progressively worse. We sold our 2006 in 2012(?) and I swore I would never buy a Stellantis product. I had a 1982 Jeep CJ7. When Chrysler bought them in 1987, that was a sad day (although Jeep had perfected the rusting windshield frame).

I will never buy a vehicle with a gas engine of any type in it again, unless EVs go away.

I had a 79 CJ5 and it was one of the best vehicles I ever owned. I’ve driven several rental Chrysler/Jeeps post-Stellantis and my God it’s unbelievable how far they’ve fallen.

 

[NW Ontario Ford Lightning]

at 60 mph the lightning running down the hwy without a trailer uses about 30kwh per hour.
A separate charging system could supply 30kW and the truck would drive until you run out of gas for the back up generator.
If we say the truck with a trailer is using double the energy - 60kWh per hour, then the choice is larger genny, or limited range extension:

If we keep the 30kW generator as above, the genny can start as soon as the truck starts running pulling the trailer, the truck has 131kWh full charge and the gen-set adds another 30kWh each hour, but the truck+trailer use 60kWh (say) per hour.

After the first 60 miles, the truck used 60kWh, but the gen set added 30, so your 131-60+30 = 101kWh.
After 120 miles, the truck used 120kWh but the gen set added 60, so your 131-120+60 =71kWh left.
Effectively the truck is using 60 but gaining 30 each hour, and the result is like driving without a trailer. ie net 30 kWh per hour. Total range of the truck + trailer with 30kW genny is 262 miles.

A generator that can charge the truck while you drive doesn't have to supply the full load of the truck to be a range extender.

 

[Heliian]

I'm speechless

LOL, up here, the people who buy Dodge rams or ram trucks or whatever you want to call it are not ev people. Ram is just the cheapest truck you can buy and they will continue to draw just on that premise. Forget about the ram gas locomotive battery ev/hybrid too, there isn't any savings to be had.

The only reason they came up with the design was for those people who claimed they needed 1000 miles on one charge and had to win the imaginary cross country 131hrs of le mons race because stopping periodically and not pissing into jugs was for the weak.

Stellantis will be getting bailed out soon enough.

 

[DavidYo]

Lol, everything is definitely subjective. I Love the frunk and use it daily but as a decades long truck user no way I would sacrifice the truck bed before the frunk. I can put stuff in a box but I can’t load furniture or mulch/gravel in the frunk.

I am open to the idea of having a generator just to charge the batteries. I am probably in the minority of opinions here in that I’d prefer it to be located in the bed of the truck and not my precious frunk!

 

[DavidYo]

That makes sense for the occasional trip or for someone who uses a trailer and needs to drive 500 miles between trips but I have a 28kW inverter generator and it takes up most of my lightnings bed and is crazy loud. Surely it could be a bit more compact but this isn’t really practical. And a 60kW generator!?! If you need to take long trips more than a few times a month I would just stick to a smoker for now and wait for the tech to catch up. Buy a Nissan leaf for around town driving to sneak in the green miles

at 60 mph the lightning running down the hwy without a trailer uses about 30kwh per hour.
A separate charging system could supply 30kW and the truck would drive until you run out of gas for the back up generator.
If we say the truck with a trailer is using double the energy - 60kWh per hour, then the choice is larger genny, or limited range extension:

If we keep the 30kW generator as above, the genny can start as soon as the truck starts running pulling the trailer, the truck has 131kWh full charge and the gen-set adds another 30kWh each hour, but the truck+trailer use 60kWh (say) per hour.

After the first 60 miles, the truck used 60kWh, but the gen set added 30, so your 131-60+30 = 101kWh.
After 120 miles, the truck used 120kWh but the gen set added 60, so your 131-120+60 =71kWh left.
Effectively the truck is using 60 but gaining 30 each hour, and the result is like driving without a trailer. ie net 30 kWh per hour. Total range of the truck + trailer with 30kW genny is 262 miles.

A generator that can charge the truck while you drive doesn't have to supply the full load of the truck to be a range extender.

 

[El Duderino]

I don't understand the appeal of this at all. EV trucks are great for people that don't do a lot of long distance driving. If that's your use case, you gain, low cost operation, a frunk, etc... There is a huge market for those that don't do long range driving but politics and poor marketing have not allowed people to understand the distinction of the two types of drivers (in other words, its not for everyone but it may be for you). There is equally a huge market of buyers that do a lot of long distance driving. So with this REV, you lose your frunk or a section of your bed for this heavy generator, regardless if you use it or not (a loss of efficiency). Your battery will be smaller to offset this weight, meaning you will go through its life cycles faster. You must now go to gas stations and do oil changes again. If you don't use your generator often, the fuel gets stale and the seals dry up. You also gain the complexities and expense of specialty repairs. Why in the world would you get something like this over a proven ICE f150 if you do a lot of long distance driving? All I see are problems waiting to happen for no extra benefit other than saying look at me I am saving the planet by hauling around a gas generator in my inefficient EV truck.

Everyone's use case is different. Everything you see as a disadvantage is an advantage to us out here in the middle where there is 1 DCFC for a 100 to 200 mile radius. Like echoed earlier, we got the electric bug. We just need a lot more range.

 

[Jseis]

“Hey Ma, will 10 gallons be enough?”… “We‘re going hybrid east of the Steens”

Slim

(doable for outback traveling, I seriously considered this but I don’t need the generator for any other purpose).

 

[Altivec]

Everyone's use case is different. Everything you see as a disadvantage is an advantage to us out here in the middle where there is 1 DCFC for a 100 to 200 mile radius. Like echoed earlier, we got the electric bug. We just need a lot more range.

Yes everyone's use case is different. I even said in a post after that, for a very small minority. an EREV may be the right choice for them. What you mentioned as an example is not one of them. So you are saying that the infrastructure around you is not capable to support EV's but for some reason you need your propulsion motors to be using electrons instead of gas. Why? If you look at my profile, you'll see I have owned an ELR for over 10 years. ELR's are EREV's. I bought it because I thought it would be the best of both worlds and I wouldn't have to worry about range. In the beginning it was great but as I mentioned previously, problems start to develop fast. engine needs servicing due to its lack of use, and the battery wore out quick because every small trip you make is one battery cycle. Because it's a proprietary Frankenstein system, very few want to work on it, which means "long waits and very expensive servicing". I learned my lesson the hard way and will never buy an EREV again. I get it. some of us our set in our ways and don't like being told from some dude on the internet that we may be wrong. many of us, including myself, need to learn things the hard way. I've already learned my lesson, for others, go nuts... and enjoy.

 

[DavidYo]

I also have a phev and it is way more trouble than it is worth. I get a small bump in efficiency but I still have to monitor how long the gas has been in the tank and realistically now have all of the problems of an ICE vehicle and all the problems of an EV. Double the trouble. It just makes sense for the people that can use the current state of EVs to do so and those who cannot yet wait/advocate for the vehicles that they can use. Not being elitist just practical. I have owned or currently own all combinations and for me what makes the most sense is either pure EV or pure ICE. The tech is new and improving very quickly. Pure EV will take over soon in all but the most niche cases.

 

[RickKeen]

The point is to rent a generator (not buy a more expensive vehicle). I could use my truck, my setup, (my insurance) to tow my travel trailer to say, Florida, for a week.

Renting a generator to use my own vehicle would be much less expensive than renting an entire truck.

A 10 kW generator (largest they have) rental price at my neighborhood retail rental shop is $125 / day. About the same price as renting a whole truck.

10kW is on the small side of what is needed for a range extender - its not going to keep up with the 50kW - 80kW sustained draw when towing a travel trailer at highway speeds.

FYI, your insurance likely already covers rental vehicles for personal usage.

 

[chl]

100lbs???? Where did you get that info? From what I know of the truck, it's going to have a 3.6L Penstar V6. That engine alone is over 400lbs, then you have a 27 gallon gas tank, where the fuel alone weighs close to 200lbs. Then you have Oil, cooling, and all the extra components/wires required to convert mechanical energy to electricity. Maybe thermodynamics lied about being your friend too.

Yep.
Ridiculousness!

"Meet the 2026 Ram 1500 Ramcharger REEV pickup

The 2026 Ram 1500 Ramcharger includes a 3.6 L V-6 engine, a 27-gallon gas tank, and dual electric motors, one on each axle ..."

https://electrek.co/2025/02/25/ram-touts-new-ramcharger-reev-as-ultimate-electric-pickup/

 

[chl]

at 60 mph the lightning running down the hwy without a trailer uses about 30kwh per hour.
A separate charging system could supply 30kW and the truck would drive until you run out of gas for the back up generator.
If we say the truck with a trailer is using double the energy - 60kWh per hour, then the choice is larger genny, or limited range extension:

If we keep the 30kW generator as above, the genny can start as soon as the truck starts running pulling the trailer, the truck has 131kWh full charge and the gen-set adds another 30kWh each hour, but the truck+trailer use 60kWh (say) per hour.

After the first 60 miles, the truck used 60kWh, but the gen set added 30, so your 131-60+30 = 101kWh.
After 120 miles, the truck used 120kWh but the gen set added 60, so your 131-120+60 =71kWh left.
Effectively the truck is using 60 but gaining 30 each hour, and the result is like driving without a trailer. ie net 30 kWh per hour. Total range of the truck + trailer with 30kW genny is 262 miles.

A generator that can charge the truck while you drive doesn't have to supply the full load of the truck to be a range extender.

https://electrek.co/2025/02/25/ram-touts-new-ramcharger-reev-as-ultimate-electric-pickup/

"...Combined with a massive 92 kWh battery, the pickup can drive up to 690 miles, or what Kuniskis calls an “unlimited” range.

Powered solely by electric power, Ram says the pickup has a driving range of around 145 miles. After the battery runs out of juice, the gas engine kicks on to extend its range..."

It's like buying 2 trucks, and EV and an ICE truck...no thanks.

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