Scout EV / EREV launches delayed until 2028

[Mando]

https://www.scoutforums.com/forum/threads/scout-launch-delayed-until-2028-summer-report.17132/

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[TaxmanHog]

Economy & market demand

"existing financial obligations"

 

[FloridaMan655321]

Well that really sucks. I was kind of planning on this being out for a few years before making a decision for the Lightning replacement. I was assuming it was going to be this, but really did want the kinks to be worked out for a few years.

 

[vvgogh]

We need to redouble our efforts to pathfind a bench seat modification for the Lightning.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

"Uncited sources" isn’t really a reliable bit of journalism.

 

[Scorpio3d]

Probably worried about the other EREVs and hopefully Fords UEV pick up?

 

[abcut973]

Lol! By the time these EREV will hit the market BEV will be back in demand. Brands like Toyota, BMW, Mercedes will be ahead ... Maybe FORD can catch up if they do it right.

 

[Lytning]

Lol! By the time these EREV will hit the market BEV will be back in demand. Brands like Toyota, BMW, Mercedes will be ahead ... Maybe FORD can catch up if they do it right.

I often wondered why Toyota stayed with hybrids and held back on EV's as everyone else was jumping on the EV bandwagon. I think the sustained demand and success of EV's depend on the solid state battery (or similar innovation) delivering on the need for fast charging, fire safety, lighter weight and reliability. I expect huge changes in battery technology commercialization within the next 3 to 5 years.

 

[Grumpy2]

I expect huge changes in battery technology commercialization within the next 3 to 5 years.

I certainly hope that is the timeline. It would be great if it is a couple of years before my extended warrantee expires!

 

[chl]

I often wondered why Toyota stayed with hybrids and held back on EV's as everyone else was jumping on the EV bandwagon. I think the sustained demand and success of EV's depend on the solid state battery (or similar innovation) delivering on the need for fast charging, fire safety, lighter weight and reliability. I expect huge changes in battery technology commercialization within the next 3 to 5 years.

I think Toyota wanted to develop hydrogen/fuel cell technology that they worked on sine the 1990's so passed on EVs.

 

[chl]

Lol! By the time these EREV will hit the market BEV will be back in demand. Brands like Toyota, BMW, Mercedes will be ahead ... Maybe FORD can catch up if they do it right.

While the rest of the world is driving inexpensive Chinese EVs and their utilities are powered by Chinese solar panels...at least 3 more years of back to the dark ages for the US.

 

[22legit2quit]

There’s a shock. For those of us who remember the Chrysler esx1 and beyond, the gm ev1, and others that never made it. It’s all the same playbook.

Car companies need to make products that support petroleum. Free/cheap energy and efficiencies cut into profit margins.

For the scout specifically, it’s not gonna be out there on front street but it has to do with the retail side. They were supposed to be direct to consumer or at least that’s how they were intended. They’re running into legal hurdles because something like the scout or slate or any mass produced efficient, reliable and common sense item is always suppressed.

Ford made a car out of hemp fibers during world war 2. It was stronger than steel, lighter and more fuel efficient. Heard of it? You can still find a few things on it but most drugs were scheduled in the 1970s but cannabis was effectively illegal in 1937. Weird, but I’m sure everyone reads between the lines. Just saying because the cycle has become almost circular at this point trying to do this. Until someone (probably Elon) finds a few other someone’s like Bezos and really brings something like the Slate to market and deals with the headwinds, it’s going to be this way.

 

[Newton]

I think Toyota wanted to develop hydrogen/fuel cell technology that they worked on sine the 1990's so passed on EVs.

Not to be the "well, actually" guy but Toyota announces 2027 Highlander EV.

 

[EV Engineer]

I often wondered why Toyota stayed with hybrids and held back on EV's as everyone else was jumping on the EV bandwagon. I think the sustained demand and success of EV's depend on the solid state battery (or similar innovation) delivering on the need for fast charging, fire safety, lighter weight and reliability. I expect huge changes in battery technology commercialization within the next 3 to 5 years.

EV enthusiasts love to knock on Toyota for not being "all in" on BEV but Toyota has played this very well.

They have developed hybrids for 20 years and now when hybrids are pretty well accepted pretty much their entire fleet has a very well vetted option that is hybrid. Toyota's manufacturing is as bulletproof as it comes.

They're also probably doing more for the reducing emissions than all these other companies trying to get into the EV space and then immediately discontinuing a model.

Getting 10 people into an ICE Hybrid Tundra at 22mpG vs 14mg non-hybrid reduces significant emissions compared to convincing 1 person to get into an EV Lightning.


To get back to the original topic - I don't know that SCOUT will really ever hit mass market with all this stuff. In 2 years BEV will be even better, the south koreans might introduce a 800V truck, the Ford UEV will be available.

And for heavy haulers --I don't really know how all of this over-engineered complexity is going to beat an ICE. AND be cost competitive.

EREV's may never see the light of day.

 

[chl]

Not to be the "well, actually" guy but Toyota announces 2027 Highlander EV.

Yes, they passed on EVs for years, we got a 2005 Prius (hybrid) and even the salesman was not keen on selling it to us...we now have a 2015 Prius as well, not a "plug in" Prius but it has an EV mode.

Now they are on-board with EVs it seems, kind of late to the game.

Their chairman made many statements knocking EVs over the years, probably because they sunk so much R&D money into hydrogen fuel cells?

He once claimed that 1 EV polllutes more than 3 hybrids for example.

And he said EVs would never exceed 30% market share.

In China EVs are already over 45% market share and world wide they reached 20% in 2024 and 25% in 2025, so he's going to be wrong about that pretty soon.

We are glad the Prius came along when it did, and happy Toyota finally stop fightig the EV adoption and got on the band wagon.

His pipe dream of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles just wasn't going to happen.

Barely any infrastructure for hydrogen distribution to vehicles compared with nearly everyone having electricity in their homes.

And hydrogen is highly flammable and explosive which makes wide spread adoption unlikely in my opinion.

Not to mention the hydrogen fuel is way more expensive than electricity for EVs and HFC vehicles are less efficient: "Hydrogen fuel cells are only about one-third as efficient as battery-electric cars, as producing, compressing, and transporting hydrogen consumes vast amounts of energy."

Toyota now makes pretty high quality gas and hybrid cars - anyone remember how fast they would rust away back in the early days? I do.

So the more the merrier in the EV space!

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