EV Charging Network Will Target Interstates Before Expanding Into Remote Rural and Crowded Urban Areas

[Beans]

With a little googling, I found several articles that say > 80% charge at home. Here's one.

https://www.jdpower.com/business/pr...ic-vehicle-experience-evx-home-charging-study

Targeting the interstate makes sense to me. My biggest concern about having an EV is long distance travel. For 99% of my driving I'll be within 100 miles of my home charger.

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[Tony Burgh]

With a little googling, I found several articles that say > 80% charge at home. Here's one.

https://www.jdpower.com/business/pr...ic-vehicle-experience-evx-home-charging-study

Targeting the interstate makes sense to me. My biggest concern about having an EV is long distance travel. For 99% of my driving I'll be within 100 miles of my home charger.

And if you’re going more than 100 miles, very high probability it’s on an interstate or major highway.

 

[beatle]

I disagree that L1 charging would fit many people's use cases. There's no way I could have had a satisfactory EV experience on 120v home charging, and I only have a 27 mile round trip commute. I also own two other vehicles. People use their cars for more than commuting, especially if they don't have additional vehicles to use while their EV is charging. It just takes too long - and that's in the warmer months. In the colder months the battery heater would be running so much that you'd never get any energy into the battery. When I visit family, they all have 240v receptacles (or have installed them) so I can still use the car before heading home. Sometimes I'm only there for two days, so 120v would not cut it there either.

When I L2 charge at shopping centers, I am rarely charging there long enough to even recoup my mileage to the destination, much less charge enough to make the round trip. I consider these charging opportunities EV luxuries since the spots are generally close to the door and they provide free electricity.

+1 to filling in the gaps vs. installing more in densely populated areas. I think I mentioned this already, but there are huge gaps even in popular places. Try going to the beach on the east coast between New Jersey and Savannah. Tesla's network is a little better there, but it's still pretty sparse.

 

[Sam James]

And there is never an electricity leak that requires digging up of tanks.... Every gas station is a mini-superfund site waiting to happen. If local electricity costs 20c per kWh and it is being sold at 35c per kWh then there is certainly profit available.

I was working on failed bank acquisitions during the Great Recession and gas station foreclosures were the WORST. If a mortgage defaults and the property values around it weren't sufficient to retain the property then we could bulldoze a home and donate the land. Gas stations on the other hand were expensive, polluted, and stuck around on our books for years. Charging infrastructure only adds to a property's value. Gas stations will be major headaches for decades to come even after EVs become the norm.

 

[Nick Gerteis]

So the biggest allocation for new additional chargers is going to... places that *already* have some of the highest concentration of chargers. Hmm...

If the purpose of this whole thing is to encourage nationwide adoption of EVs, and the if one of biggest hurdles is range anxiety.. wouldn't it make more sense to fill in the areas that have very few chargers first?

Simply tracks population. Chargers go where drivers are. And yes, gaps need to be, and will soon be, filled.

 

[Nick Gerteis]

You also will have to factor in the extra cost of suppling power for these chargers witch increases the service size which in turn increases hydro rates, which get passed down to everybody in the complex. Where I live, once you pass a certain amount of power used, then your on demand billing. You are charged the highest power usage, even for 10 seconds of high draw once in a 30 day period, as if you used that for the whole month. I think this is going to cause friction between ICE owners and EV owners in the same complex. As an ICE owner, I would not want to pay for my neighbor's charging system in my rent because he has an EV.

Soon a moot point as we’ll all be in EVs within ten years. As it stands now, your neighbors are paying a share of the parking lot repaving, even if they don’t have a car.

 

[greenne]

Soon a moot point as we’ll all be in EVs within ten years. As it stands now, your neighbors are paying a share of the parking lot repaving, even if they don’t have a car.

Yeah I'm not seeing that. 20-30yrs maybe. Even if 50% of vehicles sold are EVs in 2030, there still be millions of gassers on the road unless--

1. Gas becomes so expensive it clear a switch to EV makes financial sense in a very short period of time (i.e. the payback period is a year or two).

2. EVs purchase price is the same or lower than gas vehicles

3. The government makes it attractive to own an EV..government subsides...perhaps a cash for clunkers type deal.

My opinion, if we are serious about getting EVs on the road there will have to be a serious financial incentive. Simply appealing to people's good nature or sounding the climate change alarm won't do it. Also, its not enough to replace new car sales with EVs. In that case people would only upgrade when they are due a new vehicle which means it could be 10, 15, or 20yrs before people do so. (Vehicles are lasting longer--people are driving them longer)

 

[FordLightningMan]

Yeah I'm not seeing that. 20-30yrs maybe. Even if 50% of vehicles sold are EVs in 2030, there still be millions of gassers on the road unless--

1. Gas becomes so expensive it clear a switch to EV makes financial sense in a very short period of time (i.e. the payback period is a year or two).

2. EVs purchase price is the same or lower than gas vehicles

3. The government makes it attractive to own an EV..government subsides...perhaps a cash for clunkers type deal.

My opinion, if we are serious about getting EVs on the road there will have to be a serious financial incentive. Simply appealing to people's good nature or sounding the climate change alarm won't do it. Also, its not enough to replace new car sales with EVs. In that case people would only upgrade when they are due a new vehicle which means it could be 10, 15, or 20yrs before people do so. (Vehicles are lasting longer--people are driving them longer)

When there are millions of used EVs, we will get there. People with money will want to get their new 600 mile batteries that charge in 5 minutes, then the 15 year old vehicles with 300 mile slow charging batteries will be dirt cheap. Maybe not an exact estimate on the figures, but an approximation of what's to come.

 

[Amps]

My opinion, if we are serious about getting EVs on the road....

Spoiler Alert: Most Are Not Serious About It

 

[sotek2345]

Yeah I'm not seeing that. 20-30yrs maybe. Even if 50% of vehicles sold are EVs in 2030, there still be millions of gassers on the road unless--

1. Gas becomes so expensive it clear a switch to EV makes financial sense in a very short period of time (i.e. the payback period is a year or two).

2. EVs purchase price is the same or lower than gas vehicles

3. The government makes it attractive to own an EV..government subsides...perhaps a cash for clunkers type deal.

My opinion, if we are serious about getting EVs on the road there will have to be a serious financial incentive. Simply appealing to people's good nature or sounding the climate change alarm won't do it. Also, its not enough to replace new car sales with EVs. In that case people would only upgrade when they are due a new vehicle which means it could be 10, 15, or 20yrs before people do so. (Vehicles are lasting longer--people are driving them longer)

Some good news, we are on track for #2 inside the next 10 years and #3 is gaining more and more traction over time (Ukraine situation will likely help #3 along).

#1 would likely take a carbon tax. Unlikely in today's political climate, but who knows what the future holds. this would be VERY painful for many, but would be the fastest way to push change and reduce usage.

 

[TaxmanHog]

https://www.prageru.com/video/how-much-energy-will-the-world-need

Are we heading toward an all-renewable energy future, spearheaded by wind and solar? Or are those energy sources wholly inadequate for the task? Mark Mills, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of The Cloud Revolution, compares the energy dream to the energy reality.

 

[VTbuckeye]

Currently in a supply constrained state making them cheaper and adding incentives is not going to increase the numbers significantly. Incentives could help with making EVs instead of ice cars when the shared parts are in short supply assuming there are adequate supplies of EV specific parts are readily available.

 

[sotek2345]

Currently in a supply constrained state making them cheaper and adding incentives is not going to increase the numbers significantly. Incentives could help with making EVs instead of ice cars when the shared parts are in short supply assuming there are adequate supplies of EV specific parts are readily available.

I agree with your take on the supply constrained environment, but your mistake is to think the incentives are about lowering costs for customers to boost demand. They are about boosting profits to manufactures (by letting them charge a higher cost offset by the tax credit) which lets them invest in supply chains to boost supply.

 

[Nick Gerteis]

https://www.prageru.com/video/how-much-energy-will-the-world-need

Are we heading toward an all-renewable energy future, spearheaded by wind and solar? Or are those energy sources wholly inadequate for the task? Mark Mills, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of The Cloud Revolution, compares the energy dream to the energy reality.

Yes, we are indeed headed towards an all renewable energy future, spearheaded by wind and solar. Debunked Prager U nonsense FUD notwithstanding, sorry. As per Wikipedia:
“PragerU, short for Prager University, is an American 501(c)(3) nonprofit advocacy group.[4] The organization was co-founded by Allen Estrin and talk show host and writer Dennis Prager in 2009 to create videos on various political, economic, and sociological topics that promote an American conservative viewpoint.[4][5][6][7] The organization relies on tax-deductible donations, and much of its early funding came from oil billionaires Dan and Farris Wilks.[4][7]“
IOW, not a university, and paid by oil money to say whatever oil needs it to say. Too bad you keep falling for it.

 

[VTbuckeye]

I agree with your take on the supply constrained environment, but your mistake is to think the incentives are about lowering costs for customers to boost demand. They are about boosting profits to manufactures (by letting them charge a higher cost offset by the tax credit) which lets them invest in supply chains to boost supply.

I was thinking about that as I was typing. Improving the manufacturers profit margin (not dealer profits) would encourage investment and allocation of their scarce resources towards EV vs ice. Once the supply issues are improved the choices for manufacturers will be easier to make. If Ford is supplying a large percentage of customer ordered vehicles in our current market, it is the customer who is deciding what will be built. There isn't a lot of room to make products that the public is bit asking for NOW.

If all of this was easy, it would be solved already.

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