Ford CEO Jim Farley Agrees With Fox News Host That Canada 'Sold Their Soul'

[TaxmanHog]

In 2025 America calling the Chinese untrustworthy is just the pot calling the kettle black.

The CCP has far more nefarious intentions, yes our politicians aren't the most trustworthy or intelligent.

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[Altivec]

I suggest that Canadian buyers pay attention to the quality of the product coming ashore, don't forget the scams of tofu-dreg construction and manufacturing that hales from China.

As far as investments and landside production occurring in Canada, don't forget about the potential issues with national security and bait & switch "Belt and Road" initiatives.

You mean scammish... as in promise a vehicle lets say for $39 900 and only make 3 units of that trim, or do you mean when dealers surprisingly mark up your order and extort you on delivery by saying pay up or we will sell your truck to someone else. hmmm. Where did I see that happen. When it comes to quality, do you mean like having the most recalls out of any manufacturer and at the bottom half of any list that rates quality. I think a lot of people are in denial and wearing rose coloured glasses when it comes to how "amazing" US quality is and the perception of that "quality" from people outside the US.

Now that I am actually looking into a Chinese EV and doing research, The technology, software, design, features, integration are night and day. They are at least 10 years ahead. Do you think BYD became the GLOBAL leader (and that's without access to the US market) by selling scummy crap. Even if I get a sub par experience, which from what I've heard so far, is the opposite of that, at least I am getting twice the car for half the price.

Not sure why all the hostility and fear mongering though. The US made it clear and then doubled down that they are America only. The Tariffs and political games just made US auto unaffordable here in Canada, and there are no longer jobs for us to protect. Those lost jobs need to be converted to partners that want to work with us. Having China come in and take over those plants, and giving consumers a better product for half the price is a win win for everyone here. It's also a win for the USA because you got what you wanted too. Got rid of us troublesome Canadians... sure, you lose 2 million sales per year but maybe some of those extra few jobs gained will stick after the layoffs and shrinking market caused by those lost sales. Bottom line is that everyone should be happy about this.

 

[Altivec]

The CCP has far more nefarious intentions, yes our politicians aren't the most trustworthy or intelligent.

and what are those nefarious intentions you speak of? If we want to talk conspiracy theory's, The only country that has ever threatened Canada is the USA. I get it... It's hard to believe OUR country is just as bad or worse than the propaganda that is being fed to us about how everyone else is EVIL and we're the best (not singling out America. this applies to all countries). China was all great and such when they were and still are providing cheap products. But then some politician comes out and says they're bad because "they don't buy enough from us" and all of a sudden China has nefarious intentions. But if they pay up... all will be good in the world again and they are magically no longer nefarious... lol.

I am sure Americans have tons of products or components that are 'made in china' sitting in their living room right now. Better throw everything out of your house because somewhere in China someone is listening in on in on what detergent you are using for your laundry... Oh sorry, that's good old American Google or Amazon.. I am just not that interesting and would probably kill these nefarious countries with boredom.. If China wants to look at my back up camera, go nuts... I'll even do a little dance for them if it makes it interesting. In the mean time I'll just go about enjoying my life with my fancy new car for half the price.

 

[TaxmanHog]

My opinion is based on facts that have absolutely nothing to due with our current POTUS!

 

[TaxmanHog]

My opinion is based on facts that have absolutely nothing to due with our current POTUS!

 

[chl]

The CCP has far more nefarious intentions, yes our politicians aren't the most trustworthy or intelligent.

It's all relative and depends on one's perspective.

We have higher expectations from our own government, and those are not being met.

If the CCP is promoting electric vehicles and the companies that make them in their country, that the opposite of nefarious...and it is more than we can say about our own country at present in that regard.

But living in a democracy here in the US, and having a government trying to take away freedom of the press, of speech, to petition for redress of grievances, to deny certain groups of the right to vote, harassing it's perceived political enemies using the DOJ to conduct investigations and file indictments and conduct grand juries without a factual predicate, well that is definitely nefarious!

And very disappointing.

Not saying China has anything close to the freedoms we have of course, which is a bad thing.

 

[ctuan13]

The CCP has far more nefarious intentions, yes our politicians aren't the most trustworthy or intelligent.

I don't disagree, which is why with complex physical products I have to trust my life to, like vehicles, I won't buy Chinese, but when it comes to tech (computers, phones, smart devices, etc), I've grown less dogmatic.

My reasoning? I'm first and foremost concerned with the blatant surveillance by the US government and everything that Snowden revealed. And of course, the Chinese device might be spying on me, engineered by the company on the behest of the CCP, collecting all my data. But can you guess the one entity, the Chinese government is never going to share any data with? Yup. The US government. Sometimes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Still, I'm not gonna trust a Chinese vehicle and especially not an EV, because I understand how often rubber stamping leads to QC shortcuts. In a laptop or a phone, it might mean lost data or a buggy UI, in a car, it could cause an uncommanded vehicle operation that leads to crash or an uncontrolled fire.

 

[flabrent]

I thought this place was non-supportive of political garbage.

It's news

Ten days later, my "error" is abundantly clear...

 

[Grumpy2]

I found the latest China Observer video interesting and I hope it is sufficiently factual to be hopeful that the China tsunami of electric cars has been damaged. It is a long video, but worth listening to it.

I had not connected the Orban defeat with China's EV push worldwide. This will certainly help FORD in the EU market.

 

[TaxmanHog]

I found the latest China Observer video interesting and I hope it is sufficiently factual to be hopeful that the China tsunami of electric cars has been damaged. It is a long video, but worth listening to it.

I had not connected the Orban defeat with China's EV push worldwide. This will certainly help FORD in the EU market.

The channel is reputable in my humble opinion, just watched a video about several other Chinese vehicles with very poor quality and reliability concerns, there was corporate censorship at a media event trying to cover up the flop.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Ten days later, my "error" is abundantly clear...

There are facts & opinions on this and many other threads I read on this forum, it's funny that when the opinions lean one way then there are complaints and reports, OTOH, several threads I reviewed this morning had unsavory character assassinations but not a word from the peanut gallery.

 

[Rice_classic]

Erhmagherd!! The Chinese cars might be up to something!…

MEANWHILE, over at FORD:

 

[Altivec]

There are facts & opinions on this and many other threads I read on this forum, it's funny that when the opinions lean one way then there are complaints and reports, OTOH, several threads I reviewed this morning had unsavory character assassinations but not a word from the peanut gallery.

Just checking... Am I part of the "peanut gallery"? Just because people disagree with your "opinion" doesn't mean they "lean" one way or that they should belong to the peanut gallery. I just chose to ignore but now I feel the need to reply to what is an actual character assassination.

Again... You choose to believe what you or what ever your government wants you to believe. Yes the evil empire of the day is China. cool... Yes terrible products and Nefarious. Pulling out YouTube videos is not "facts". (I never even watched what you put out). I can find YouTube videos of just about anything to back up my narrative. Do you not think there are a million video on how sucky American cars are? Do you not think there are videos of all the nefarious things the American government is doing? Did you see how bad Fords first quarter is? DOOOOMED I tell you... People will believe what they want to believe.

This thread is about "Canada selling its soul" by giving their people the CHOICE and FREEDOM to buy whatever they want to buy. There was a reason to protect the auto industry before America pulled out of Canada and that was jobs. Now there isn't and protectionism policies are no longer needed. If I want a German car, I have the choice, If I want an American car, I have the choice, and if I want A Chinese car, I have the choice. It's a competitive market. If American auto produces the vehicles we want, with the quality we want, for the price we want, they will have no problems. Unfortunately, the rest of the world is going EV and politics or whatever made American Auto go the other way. So right off the bat, America has decided to not make the products the rest of the world want... Then they tariff steel and aluminum by 50%, causing shortages and additional costs making American auto even more uncompetitive than they already are. THOSE ARE FACTS, not some video... You can fear monger all you want on how bad China is, that is not going to change those facts. People care about their pocket book. No different than people choosing evil Walmart over their local grocer to save a few cents. If they can get a car for half the price, that's what they are going to get.

 

[DavidS]

Erhmagherd!! The Chinese cars might be up to something!…

MEANWHILE, over at FORD:

This is actually about keeping people impaired by alcohol, drugs, or state of health from driving 2-3 ton vehicles and killing other people. Living five blocks from the trauma center for northeast Wisconsin and hearing constant helicopter ambulance flights from Friday evening through Sunday every week . I’m all in on effective solutions.

 

[mr.Magoo]

This is actually about keeping people impaired by alcohol, drugs, or state of health from driving 2-3 ton vehicles and killing other people.

So let's ban anything unsafe (motorcycles, etc.) and let's mandate alcohol interlocks, enforce / block vehicles speed to the speed limit and limit acceleration rates to 0.3g or something so no vehicle can accelerate from 0-60 in less than 7-8 seconds. We should also require annual health and vision checks, log the results in a national database and once deemed unfit to drive by AI (that way a doctor doesn't have to make the uncomfortable decision to take you off the road) it's linked back to all vehicles through the same database so if you were to try and operate a vehicle it is impossible and the vehicle would also send a notification to local law enforcement so they can book you for illegally trying to operate a vehicle.

Oh, and for all of you who think you can get away with driving an "analog" car - forget it - we'll impound and crush them all on sight.

And no, this is not totalitarianism or government overreach - it's all for your own safety - and think about the children, the children...

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