Converting a truck to CCS2

[Ronaldvo]

Hello,

As you know, in America you charge with a single phase. In Europe, we use a three-phase system. Since there are already quite a few lights driving around in Europe, we all have the same problem. Charging on a single phase at 25 amps takes a very long time. That's why I'd like to convert the truck to CCS2.

I'd like your advice. I think I need the following:

https://rrr.lt/en/used-part/ayg321801-2658598-ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-car-charging-cable

https://rrr.lt/en/used-part/ayg321801-2658598-ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-car-charging-cable

Does anyone think this can be made to work with the correct adjustment in ForScan FDRS?

Thank you

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[The Weatherman]

Hello,

As you know, in America you charge with a single phase. In Europe, we use a three-phase system. Since there are already quite a few lights driving around in Europe, we all have the same problem. Charging on a single phase at 25 amps takes a very long time. That's why I'd like to convert the truck to CCS2.

I'd like your advice. I think I need the following:

https://rrr.lt/en/used-part/ayg321801-2658598-ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-car-charging-cable

https://rrr.lt/en/used-part/ayg321801-2658598-ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-car-charging-cable

Does anyone think this can be made to work with the correct adjustment in ForScan FDRS?

Thank you

This looks like an ask @ZSC100 question.

 

[RickLightning]

Hello,

As you know, in America you charge with a single phase. In Europe, we use a three-phase system. Since there are already quite a few lights driving around in Europe, we all have the same problem. Charging on a single phase at 25 amps takes a very long time. That's why I'd like to convert the truck to CCS2.

I'd like your advice. I think I need the following:

https://rrr.lt/en/used-part/ayg321801-2658598-ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-car-charging-cable

https://rrr.lt/en/used-part/ayg321801-2658598-ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-car-charging-cable

Does anyone think this can be made to work with the correct adjustment in ForScan FDRS?

Thank you

I don't think you need to do that.

For DC charging, buy this adapter - https://a2zev.com/products/ccs2-to-ccs1?ref=Typhoon
For AC charging, buy this adapter - https://a2zev.com/products/type-2-to-j1772?ref=Typhoon

Both currently 15% off.

 

[Ronaldvo]

I don't think you need to do that.

For DC charging, buy this adapter - https://a2zev.com/products/ccs2-to-ccs1?ref=Typhoon
For AC charging, buy this adapter - https://a2zev.com/products/type-2-to-j1772?ref=Typhoon

Both currently 15% off.

I have the DC adapter. It works very well with fast charging.

I don't understand the other adapter. I expect this adapter to use 1 phase, while I want to use 3 phase.

 

[Fistandantilus]

Don´t think changing the cable only will help. Most probably a different inverter/charger is required as well.

 

[bmwhitetx]

Is your truck made specifically for the European market or is it a straight up North American import with no modifications?

If the latter, then the Mach-E glob you linked to likely needs to match up with an onboard charger that is also three phase. The onboard charger in a North American truck is single phase input (L1 and L2/N).

Maybe the adapter Rick linked to provides 2 of the 3 phases to the trucks charge port. What is the voltage between phases over there? That might be enough.

Don't know if the European built Mach-E's have a 3-phase onboard charger but your import wouldn't. Here is a schematic. The main onboard charger is the SOBDM.

You don't mention the year and trim of your truck. In the diagram above only '22 and '23 trucks with ER batteries have the GFM2 module (part of the dual onboard charger system those trucks have to do 80A).

 

[B177y]

I am just making wild guesses here, but I think the adapters would be the best bet.


Even if you swapped the stock J1772 charging port, I don't believe you would be able to change the truck's internal chargers to three-phase. The adapter should still send 240 volt AC phase to phase (L1 to L2) into your truck. My guess is that you are still limited to the 48 amp 240 volt maximum of the truck's charging system unless you have the 80amp dual charger system. Probably best to email A to z and get confirmation on which pins of the adapter are energized.

(Apparently I posted this just as @bmwhitetx provided his much more accurate and detailed answer.)

 

[hb.sagen]

The EU Lightnings have a single phase onboard charger from an E-Transit. 7.4 kWh on 32A.

 

[Ronaldvo]

Sorry, ik zie dat ik dezelfde link twee keer in het eerste bericht heb geplaatst.

Ik bedoel deze:

https://www.b-parts.com/nl/auto-ond...4sWw5_zGyRjE-6Qum2Cf0R2VPRKXPfwRoC3ykQAvD_BwE

en de oplaadpoort.

https://rrr.lt/en/used-part/ayg321801-2658598-ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-car-charging-cable

Als ik deze twee vervang, is er dan een kans dat het werkt? Moeten er softwareaanpassingen worden gedaan?

My truck is a Lariat extra range. Built in 2022.

 

[bmwhitetx]

Sorry, ik zie dat ik dezelfde link twee keer in het eerste bericht heb geplaatst.

Ik bedoel deze:

https://www.b-parts.com/nl/auto-ond...4sWw5_zGyRjE-6Qum2Cf0R2VPRKXPfwRoC3ykQAvD_BwE

en de oplaadpoort.

https://rrr.lt/en/used-part/ayg321801-2658598-ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-car-charging-cable

Als ik deze twee vervang, is er dan een kans dat het werkt? Moeten er softwareaanpassingen worden gedaan?

My truck is a Lariat extra range. Built in 2022.

I translate that you meant to post another part that is the Mach-E onboard charger. If the European Mach-E has that same single-phase charger that the Transit has, then it could be that Mach-E port glob you posted is doing the same thing as the adapter Rick posted. In other words. it takes two phases of the CCS2 and feeds it to the charger.

You should invest in a workshop manual for the European Mach-E and study the schematics. Might also post in the Mach-E forum, they have lots of European members.

And note your US-made 2022 ER Lariat will have two onboard chargers (one under frunk and another under the bed) as shown in the schematic I posted.

 

[ZSC100]

Is the community telling him there is no European market Lightning out there that already has the CCS2 port? If not I imagine any charge port he gets might have an issue reaching the connectors with length? Furthermore as others have said here the limitation will be the On board charger.

 

[Ronaldvo]

If I understand correctly, it's a difficult modification because I have two onboard chargers.

The Mach-e has a 3-phase charger, which I could use for the front charger. It looks identical. So, the rear charger is going to be a difficult task.

I therefore think it's impossible.

I'm currently charging 7 kW with two phases in the Netherlands, but I would have liked to switch to 3 phases after 11 kW. I use a special inverter for this that converts 2 phases into 1 phase. In the Netherlands, we have a voltage of 380 V between phases 1 and 2, so I use an inverter.

So, the voltage is converted twice: one from the wall charger and one from the charger in the car. Each time the voltage is converted, there are efficiency losses. Since electricity costs 0.30 euro cents per kW here, So I'd have a better chance if I could remove the inverter from the wall, but that doesn't seem possible.

That's why I think the 2-phase adapter won't work after a single phase, given the difference between 240V and 380V.

 

[Maquis]

If I understand correctly, it's a difficult modification because I have two onboard chargers.

The Mach-e has a 3-phase charger, which I could use for the front charger. It looks identical. So, the rear charger is going to be a difficult task.

I therefore think it's impossible.

I'm currently charging 7 kW with two phases in the Netherlands, but I would have liked to switch to 3 phases after 11 kW. I use a special inverter for this that converts 2 phases into 1 phase. In the Netherlands, we have a voltage of 380 V between phases 1 and 2, so I use an inverter.

So, the voltage is converted twice: one from the wall charger and one from the charger in the car. Each time the voltage is converted, there are efficiency losses. Since electricity costs 0.30 euro cents per kW here, So I'd have a better chance if I could remove the inverter from the wall, but that doesn't seem possible.

That's why I think the 2-phase adapter won't work after a single phase, given the difference between 240V and 380V.

You shouldn’t need to change the voltage. Your 380V (I think Europe has now standardized at 400V) is a wye system which would be 220V from one phase to neutral. You could get a U.S. spec 80A EVSE and connect it phase to neutral and charge at 17KW or so.

ETA: CCs2 includes the neutral wire. I suspect that the adapter uses that and will supply 220V to the truck when connected to the 3 phase wye system.

 

[Ronaldvo]

You shouldn’t need to change the voltage. Your 380V (I think Europe has now standardized at 400V) is a wye system which would be 220V from one phase to neutral. You could get a U.S. spec 80A EVSE and connect it phase to neutral and charge at 17KW or so.

ETA: CCs2 includes the neutral wire. I suspect that the adapter uses that and will supply 220V to the truck when connected to the 3 phase wye system.

Do you have a product link ? U.S. spec 80A EVSE
many thanks

 

[Maquis]

Do you have a product link ? U.S. spec 80A EVSE
many thanks

https://www.ford.com/product/ford-charge-station-pro-p4000006826

There are others that make them as well.

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