Is this T3? August 11th "Model T moment" for Ford says Jim Farley

[RickLightning]

All ford has to do to avoid the tariff loss is to build in the USA which is the whole idea of the tariffs. We can't make America great again if unless we manufacture our own products.

This is a very naive idea. Without getting into politics, which we don't want here:

1) Manufacturing has been moving offshore for many, many decades. You can't fix that with tariffs, you need LONG TERM STRATEGIES THAT INDUSTRIES AGREE TO AND THAT FUTURE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS CAN'T UNDO. Right now, every 4 years the party in power Fs everything up.

2) Build the vehicle in the US is one thing. It uses raw materials, that we have pushed manufacturing of outside the country. It uses components, same. Entire industries (chips) have been moved outside the country.

3) We have an established North American trade zone that allows us to move products from US to Canada, and US to Mexico, and vice versa, without penalty. Took years and years to establish. Tariffs are destroying it.

4) "We can't make America great again" borders on a political statement, since it mirrors what one party is saying. Please avoid political statements here.

5) "unless we manufacture our own products". Who says so, besides the orange man. Why can't a country be a leader of the world and not manufacture everything (tip, they can be).

I personally put the blame for high costs on unions. I'm not anti unions but the unions greed for higher wages resulted in our manufacturing moving to countries with lower labor costs.
Every time our minimum wage increases the companies pass those cost on to their consumers. This increases the cost of living for all of us, which not only eliminates the minimum wage increase but increases the price of the cost to manufacture the products which forces our manufacturers to leave our country.

I find arguments like this comical, because the people that make them espouse the "I want more money" philosophy themselves.

I agree that unions are greedy, especially leadership, often corrupt too. But people say one thing, and want another. Should the worker at McDonald's be able to support a family of 4? I don't think so. Should an auto worker that bolts a part on a vehicle make $100k a year? I don't think so.

My father in-law was a union worker, who went on strike when the union said to, for things the union told him to strike for. You never heard, from his mouth, that issue until the union told him it was an issue. He talked America this, America that. He was a member of the NRA. He also owned a Panasonic TV, and other non-American products. Either practice what you preach, not complaining that US-made products both cost more and are likely inferior in features and quality, or STFU (not directed at any one individual).

The idea of a world economy is that a country like the US has a dominant position and reaps the benefits of it. The push right now is to undo it. I can't wait for the people that espouse this to go in the fields and pick the vegetables that no one else is picking. Or, say "buy local", except the small businesses went out of business due to tariffs.

We have a store that has been in business for over 100 years closing at the end of the year. They cited rapidly rising unpredictable product costs as a primary reason.

This train is about to wreck, and it's going to be painful for many. It will be very ugly.

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[MaintGrl]

This is a very naive idea. Without getting into politics, which we don't want here:

1) Manufacturing has been moving offshore for many, many decades. You can't fix that with tariffs, you need LONG TERM STRATEGIES THAT INDUSTRIES AGREE TO AND THAT FUTURE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS CAN'T UNDO. Right now, every 4 years the party in power Fs everything up.

2) Build the vehicle in the US is one thing. It uses raw materials, that we have pushed manufacturing of outside the country. It uses components, same. Entire industries (chips) have been moved outside the country.

3) We have an established North American trade zone that allows us to move products from US to Canada, and US to Mexico, and vice versa, without penalty. Took years and years to establish. Tariffs are destroying it.

4) "We can't make America great again" borders on a political statement, since it mirrors what one party is saying. Please avoid political statements here.

5) "unless we manufacture our own products". Who says so, besides the orange man. Why can't a country be a leader of the world and not manufacture everything (tip, they can be).




I find arguments like this comical, because the people that make them espouse the "I want more money" philosophy themselves.

I agree that unions are greedy, especially leadership, often corrupt too. But people say one thing, and want another. Should the worker at McDonald's be able to support a family of 4? I don't think so. Should an auto worker that bolts a part on a vehicle make $100k a year? I don't think so.

My father in-law was a union worker, who went on strike when the union said to, for things the union told him to strike for. You never heard, from his mouth, that issue until the union told him it was an issue. He talked America this, America that. He was a member of the NRA. He also owned a Panasonic TV, and other non-American products. Either practice what you preach, not complaining that US-made products both cost more and are likely inferior in features and quality, or STFU (not directed at any one individual).

The idea of a world economy is that a country like the US has a dominant position and reaps the benefits of it. The push right now is to undo it. I can't wait for the people that espouse this to go in the fields and pick the vegetables that no one else is picking. Or, say "buy local", except the small businesses went out of business due to tariffs.

We have a store that has been in business for over 100 years closing at the end of the year. They cited rapidly rising unpredictable product costs as a primary reason.

This train is about to wreck, and it's going to be painful for many. It will be very ugly.

You can't see . . . but I'm clapping enthusiastically

 

[It's Just Me]

it's been here all along....

Ha. Took me a minute. Quite well done Ford.

 

[It's Just Me]

This is a very naive idea. Without getting into politics, which we don't want here:

1) Manufacturing has been moving offshore for many, many decades. You can't fix that with tariffs, you need LONG TERM STRATEGIES THAT INDUSTRIES AGREE TO AND THAT FUTURE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS CAN'T UNDO. Right now, every 4 years the party in power Fs everything up.

2) Build the vehicle in the US is one thing. It uses raw materials, that we have pushed manufacturing of outside the country. It uses components, same. Entire industries (chips) have been moved outside the country.

3) We have an established North American trade zone that allows us to move products from US to Canada, and US to Mexico, and vice versa, without penalty. Took years and years to establish. Tariffs are destroying it.

4) "We can't make America great again" borders on a political statement, since it mirrors what one party is saying. Please avoid political statements here.

5) "unless we manufacture our own products". Who says so, besides the orange man. Why can't a country be a leader of the world and not manufacture everything (tip, they can be).




I find arguments like this comical, because the people that make them espouse the "I want more money" philosophy themselves.

I agree that unions are greedy, especially leadership, often corrupt too. But people say one thing, and want another. Should the worker at McDonald's be able to support a family of 4? I don't think so. Should an auto worker that bolts a part on a vehicle make $100k a year? I don't think so.

My father in-law was a union worker, who went on strike when the union said to, for things the union told him to strike for. You never heard, from his mouth, that issue until the union told him it was an issue. He talked America this, America that. He was a member of the NRA. He also owned a Panasonic TV, and other non-American products. Either practice what you preach, not complaining that US-made products both cost more and are likely inferior in features and quality, or STFU (not directed at any one individual).

The idea of a world economy is that a country like the US has a dominant position and reaps the benefits of it. The push right now is to undo it. I can't wait for the people that espouse this to go in the fields and pick the vegetables that no one else is picking. Or, say "buy local", except the small businesses went out of business due to tariffs.

We have a store that has been in business for over 100 years closing at the end of the year. They cited rapidly rising unpredictable product costs as a primary reason.

This train is about to wreck, and it's going to be painful for many. It will be very ugly.

Wait you just wrote to avoid political statements here, but then a couple sentences down write "the orange man."

Hypocrisy much?

 

[RickLightning]

Nothing political about describing someone by their skin color.

 

[It's Just Me]

Nothing political about describing someone by their skin color.

Riiiiiiiiiight. You keep telling yourself that.

Hypocrisy much?

 

[The Weatherman]

Riiiiiiiiiight. You keep telling yourself that.

Hypocrisy much?

Hypocrisy is probably a word you wouldn’t want to use much when the Orange Man is the topic of the conversation.

 

[Effonefiddy Lightning]

Well then what good are you to us?

wow dude, that was unnecessarily harsh.

Another one that thinks they can pay workers nothing, and yet expects those workers to spend $100K ea on two vehcles, 500K on a house, 5x that on heathcare, etc and save for retirement with a million dollars and no debt. Then wonder why they have no market for their overpriced garbage.

If they get paid nothing, why are they still working there? And who said this said person expects his workers to pay 100k ea on two vehicles?

 

[MaintGrl]

Hypocrisy is probably a word you wouldn’t want to use much when the Orange Man is the topic of the conversation.

 

[Traconesu]

This is a very naive idea. Without getting into politics, which we don't want here:

1) Manufacturing has been moving offshore for many, many decades. You can't fix that with tariffs, you need LONG TERM STRATEGIES THAT INDUSTRIES AGREE TO AND THAT FUTURE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS CAN'T UNDO. Right now, every 4 years the party in power Fs everything up.

2) Build the vehicle in the US is one thing. It uses raw materials, that we have pushed manufacturing of outside the country. It uses components, same. Entire industries (chips) have been moved outside the country.

3) We have an established North American trade zone that allows us to move products from US to Canada, and US to Mexico, and vice versa, without penalty. Took years and years to establish. Tariffs are destroying it.

4) "We can't make America great again" borders on a political statement, since it mirrors what one party is saying. Please avoid political statements here.

5) "unless we manufacture our own products". Who says so, besides the orange man. Why can't a country be a leader of the world and not manufacture everything (tip, they can be).




I find arguments like this comical, because the people that make them espouse the "I want more money" philosophy themselves.

I agree that unions are greedy, especially leadership, often corrupt too. But people say one thing, and want another. Should the worker at McDonald's be able to support a family of 4? I don't think so. Should an auto worker that bolts a part on a vehicle make $100k a year? I don't think so.

My father in-law was a union worker, who went on strike when the union said to, for things the union told him to strike for. You never heard, from his mouth, that issue until the union told him it was an issue. He talked America this, America that. He was a member of the NRA. He also owned a Panasonic TV, and other non-American products. Either practice what you preach, not complaining that US-made products both cost more and are likely inferior in features and quality, or STFU (not directed at any one individual).

The idea of a world economy is that a country like the US has a dominant position and reaps the benefits of it. The push right now is to undo it. I can't wait for the people that espouse this to go in the fields and pick the vegetables that no one else is picking. Or, say "buy local", except the small businesses went out of business due to tariffs.

We have a store that has been in business for over 100 years closing at the end of the year. They cited rapidly rising unpredictable product costs as a primary reason.

This train is about to wreck, and it's going to be painful for many. It will be very ugly.

You got much more political than I did with your long winded reply. You sound like you'd make a typical crooked politician. LMAO. . . . .

 

[electricpig]

wow dude, that was unnecessarily harsh.

If they get paid nothing, why are they still working there? And who said this said person expects his workers to pay 100k ea on two vehicles?

What is the average price of a new car? What is average price of a home? What did the poster say, "minimtwage is too high" sound allot like pay them nothing since minimum wage is basically paying nothing in today's economic conditions.

 

[Traconesu]

I appreciate you sharing your opinion on wage increases of labor being a factor in cost increases. I would like to encourage you to shift your thinking somewhat and recognize that CEO pay and executive pay has increased dramatically and should factor into your calculation as well. Looking just at CEO pay their take home increased over 1000% on average from 1978 (adjusting for inflation). Over the same time period a typical worker's take home increased by only 24%. Today, CEOs make almost 300 times the average worker. In 1965 that ratio was only 21-1. I think it's safe to assume similar but lower ratios for executives too.

Personally, I believe there is a tremendous amount of wealth hoarding in the upper class that is never going to trickle down. And companies would have moved towards automation and overseas manufacturing anyway. Increased domestic worker compensation is just a convenient scapegoat for those with much to convince people that they're justified in squeezing more out of those that have little.

I totally agree the upper management annual bonuses are larger than the average workers annual salary.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Nothing political about describing someone by their skin color.

I don't endorse deranged labels for any of our political figures regardless of political persuasion, #47, Potus or President Trump would be more appropriate in my most humble opinion., otherwise I agree with many of the points made. Politicians need to think long term, well past November every 24 months!

 

[Traconesu]

I don't endorse deranged labels for any of our political figures regardless of political persuasion, #47, Potus or President Trump would be more appropriate in my most humble opinion., otherwise I agree with many of the points made. Politicians need to think long term, well past November every 24 months!

I agree 'President Trump' is definitely what we should be calling the absolute best president I've had in my 75 years.

 

[MaintGrl]

I agree 'President Trump' is definitely what we should be calling the absolute best president I've had in my 75 years.

Stop . . . Ur killin me

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