Important Update: Ford EV Roadmap & Future of F-150 Lightning (EREV Next Gen Model) - ⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS

[Deleted member 21405]

This graph shows the picture:

A 40 year graph tells an even bigger story. When investing, it’s wise to largely leave your politics at the door. Markets largely disregard it over time. Sure, big events move markets, but with a long view (like retirement savings), the S&P is a good place to be in your overall mix of investments.

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[RLXXI]

A 40 year graph tells an even bigger story. When investing, it’s wise to largely leave your politics at the door. Markets largely disregard it over time. Sure, big events move markets, but with a long view (like retirement savings), the S&P is a good place to be in your overall mix of investments.

I need to look at my account more often, it's up over 14% for this year.

 

[MrLoganRoss]

By the time ford brings this to market and has two years to work out the bugs, battery tech and charging infrastructure will be sufficient enough, this “gap measure for capitulation purposes “ will no longer be necessary.

It’s laughable that American car companies would go this direction given Tesla doesn’t need a range extender engine for its semi rigs even today. Pepsi and DHL are already testing them with positive results. GM has resolved the range problem and just needs batteries to keep getting lighter to make the cars lighter.

 

[02Reaper]

"Take that Elon Musk"

 

[cantbe03]

By the time ford brings this to market and has two years to work out the bugs, battery tech and charging infrastructure will be sufficient enough, this “gap measure for capitulation purposes “ will no longer be necessary.

It’s laughable that American car companies would go this direction given Tesla doesn’t need a range extender engine for its semi rigs even today. Pepsi and DHL are already testing them with positive results. GM has resolved the range problem and just needs batteries to keep getting lighter to make the cars lighter.

Exactly. This decision to abandon EV is going to hurt them, not me. I just hope GM improves their terrible software. Their app and in vehicle software is not user friendly.

 

[Aminorjourney]

EREV will be a huge success - LMAO at this group of disgruntled - for each disgruntled here FORD will pick up 1000 new customers - LMAO

You know, instead of being nasty, you could try empathy….
People are upset at what to many is a backward step.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

Does this extend outside the US and NA?

Only U.S. for now. Checking with Canadian colleagues.

 

[roci]

Only U.S. for now. Checking with Canadian colleagues.

Thanks.

What will happen to the Europeans? It was sold officially in a few countries there too after all.

 

[Quibbs]

You know, instead of being nasty, you could try empathy….
People are upset at what to many is a backward step.

Anyone can claim anything.

It's insignificant hot air until there is something tangible.

What is real at this point in time, factually speaking.... Erev is vaporware until it's out. It won't sell more than anything because it isn't a thing except in concept. Until it is, it's an excuse and a unfulfilled promise

 

[Shmoe]

You know, instead of being nasty, you could try empathy….
People are upset at what to many is a backward step.

Probably gonna need to define that one for some people, and even then there isn't any sense of it.

 

[Daragh]

Spoke with a few friends who are actively considering an electric truck over a few beers last night. All of them said they would NOT consider buying a hybrid (the new EREV by Ford we all agreed is a hybrid) if looking for an EV. My sentiment is the same an EV should not have any form of ICE on board. I think the end user space for the new hybrid (EREV) is stuck in a precarious market space where EV adopters don’t want any form of ICE, and non EV buyers won’t consider it either! Time will tell I guess but I think the market for this new hybrid will be no bigger and potentially even smaller than the Lightnings sales.

Asking people what their concerns are about an EV compared to an ICE will yield the classic “range and battery longevity” responses, this new hybrid will not alleviate the battery longevity concerns but it will potentially give a false positive for willingness to purchase given range will be improved! But just like early EV Truck reservations that evaporated this false positive in my opinion will end similarly! Me personally I love my Lightning, but when I replace it, it will either be with another fully electric(no ICE components in it) or a true ICE with no battery drive capability in it, I wouldn’t ever consider a hybrid!

 

[sotek2345]

"Gas-guzzling EV" -- whoever said that in an earlier thread, that's spot on. I love my Lightning, and yeah I only use my bed for skis and sometimes a trash haul. Going downtown and trying to park is a PITA, so I steal my wife's car for that.

And while I love driving this amazing, big, rocket-ship... the Porsche EVs are looking better and better, especially as Ford keeps reminding me that I'm no longer their ideal customer. And I have ZERO interest in a gas-guzzling EV (not EREV, it's GGEV!), that kinda defeats the purpose, right?

Anybody looking to buy a 22-Lightning? There are a few very nice used Taycan's I have my eye on. And yes I know about their issues, but hey, it's a Porsche, and they take care of their customers...

The Taycan's are VERY nice, but take a look at the used prices on the Audi E-tron GT (same car, different body), I couldn't believe how cheap they were!

 

[ctuan13]

I assume they are referring to the Y2K38 "unix epoch rollover" in 32 bit computer systems. Think Y2K fears from 1999 but somewhat more likely to actually have issues, instead of being mostly overblown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

Ahhhh that's what I was thinking it might be referring to, but I wasn't sure. Wait so we can confirm that the Lightning's systems are 32 bit?

 

[ka-chow]

After coming out of the other side of frustration with Ford. Building this amazing truck and then dropping it like hot, flaming poo - is the service we get for 10 years. Dealers already struggled with this truck and it’s not gonna get better now. I don’t believe we can trust Ford anymore and I can’t shake that feeling. I have an automobile with a lot of warranty left and now it feels like that warranty will be meaningless. I love my truck but it feels like Ford just gathered us all up and pushed us and our trucks off a cliff, to be forgotten.

 

[chriserx]

I assume they are referring to the Y2K38 "unix epoch rollover" in 32 bit computer systems. Think Y2K fears from 1999 but somewhat more likely to actually have issues, instead of being mostly overblown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

This actually could be an issue, especially if the truck syncs time to GPS time depending how rollover is handled.
As examples:
Truck displayed date would be wrong, big whoop.
GPS no longer operates, not likely but still in the realm of possibility.
Security certificates would presumably be invalid since the truck's date would be set before the origination date. This is my biggest concern as at worst it could brick the truck, or disable FDRS access. Presumably the modules communicate securely with the gateway module, and the most likely way is through certificates.
GPS epoch and Unix epoch are both in 2038 but in different months. It'll definitely be an interesting ride.

All this being said, QNX is supposed to be capable of handling the transition at the kernel level, but only time will tell.

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