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Wow. Five pages. For someone keep track:
1. What 12v battery did OP have?
2. Was the said battery being force-charged beyond the normal level 2 charger at home?
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Those Ohmmus should be removed from shelves. That's how many now that have caught fire?
Too early to say for sure what the cause was, the Ohmmu certainly raises questions, especially with other issues presented earlier this month but it's gonna take a lot more detail for a postmortem. That being said, a pop beneath the feet does at least suggest a HVB event occurred, but without granular detail, it's impossible to say which battery is to blame. Apologies for the implication so soon after the fire, I just knew that you were having LVB issues earlier and I was shocked and short on time to write a more thoughtful response.
 

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You don’t. Thats what caused the issue!
 

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Wow. Five pages. For someone keep track:
1. What 12v battery did OP have?
2. Was the said battery being force-charged beyond the normal level 2 charger at home?
1) Ohmmu replacement battery
2) the Lightning BMS has a tendency, according to other owners who measured the charging current and battery voltages, to let the battery voltage drop and then apply a large charging current, upwards of 50+ amps if I recall correctly.

That said, the Ohmmu claims to be drop-in compatible with the Lightning.

There was a tear down video on YouTUbe if I recall that opened the Ohmmu battery and found poor manufacturing issues, of course, who knows how true any YouTube video is to begin with, or post on X or Reddit, so grain of salt.

The OP was experiencing the common signs of a 12v battery or 12v system failure in Jan based on posts, but until a complete analysis is done, all we have is speculation.
 

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You don’t. Thats what caused the issue!
Well the answer SHOULD be you CAN'T, not 'don't."

The BMS should protect the Li battery inside, that's the point of the post you responded to.
 

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Too early to say for sure what the cause was, the Ohmmu certainly raises questions, especially with other issues presented earlier this month but it's gonna take a lot more detail for a postmortem. That being said, a pop beneath the feet does at least suggest a HVB event occurred, but without granular detail, it's impossible to say which battery is to blame. Apologies for the implication so soon after the fire, I just knew that you were having LVB issues earlier and I was shocked and short on time to write a more thoughtful response.
I agree with you - too early to say for sure, but - "under your feet" is relative - when you're sitting up front, the LVB is right there between the seats, and I could absolutely see that being felt in your feet. The 2 smaller pops sound like the pyro fuses blowing, which would make sense if the LVB exploded and mangled things under the dash which would include front motor wiring and coolant loops.
 

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That 12v replacement is going to be a big stumbling block in getting Ford to accept any responsibility.
If it was the 12v battery...then it's on Ohmuu.
 

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That incident was caused by force charging the OHMMU battery in the truck while still connected to the truck.

Again not just general use.
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It was being "FORCE CHARGED" by the Lightning???


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1) Ohmmu replacement battery
2) the Lightning BMS has a tendency, according to other owners who measured the charging current and battery voltages, to let the battery voltage drop and then apply a large charging current, upwards of 50+ amps if I recall correctly.
Outside of actively charging or driving, the Lightning supposedly only tops up the 12v if it's been sitting at < 40% for 48hrs or immediately once hitting 30%. Then it supplies 300W under either of those. It's amazing that they still have updates fail due to low 12v. It shouldn't be that difficult to trigger a charge event if the 12V is below 80% and the hvb is above X. Also reports of the truck going to sleep and remote start not working? What a joke.
 

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1) Ohmmu replacement battery
2) the Lightning BMS has a tendency, according to other owners who measured the charging current and battery voltages, to let the battery voltage drop and then apply a large charging current, upwards of 50+ amps if I recall correctly.

That said, the Ohmmu claims to be drop-in compatible with the Lightning.

There was a tear down video on YouTUbe if I recall that opened the Ohmmu battery and found poor manufacturing issues, of course, who knows how true any YouTube video is to begin with, or post on X or Reddit, so grain of salt.

The OP was experiencing the common signs of a 12v battery or 12v system failure in Jan based on posts, but until a complete analysis is done, all we have is speculation.
Your write up is very good. Made me think of “that scene” in the Chernobyl show where they explain how the explosion occurred. I wonder how the insurance will deal with the aftermarket lithium ion battery.
 
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It was being "FORCE CHARGED" by the Lightning???


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It had a charger attached and still attached to the truck so it may have been being charged by both.

That extent of my knowledge of the situation.
 

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It was being "FORCE CHARGED" by the Lightning???


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Very high charge currents have been seen/measured when the Lightning is charging the 12v battery. Maybe the Ohmmu BMS should have prevented this? Maybe the Ford 12v Battery Manager is a battery mangler?
 

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That incident was caused by force charging
How do you "force charge" something with a fancypants BMS built in ?
You can do this with a n.co genius charger. The Ohmmu batteries have a BMS that doesn’t register as needing charged by many trickle chargers with current sensing. So they implemented a force feature that will output charge regardless of readings from the battery. In order to charge an Ohmmu battery with one of these chargers you have to use the force mode. This is obviously bad on many different levels.
 

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You can do this with a n.co genius charger. The Ohmmu batteries have a BMS that doesn’t register as needing charged by many trickle chargers with current sensing. So they implemented a force feature that will output charge regardless of readings from the battery. In order to charge an Ohmmu battery with one of these chargers you have to use the force mode. This is obviously bad on many different levels.
This is definitely a thing for noco, it's how I repaired my 12v200Ah lifepo.
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