What the coming F-150 Lightning EREV needs (per Motor Trend)

[ClevelandBeemer]

Let me fix that for you. You are the reason ICE makes sense.... Traveling long distances with fast refuelling was solved a long time ago.

There are certainly people out there that can benefit from an EREV. The weekend racer, boater, or camper are prime examples of EREV customers. Those who maybe once or twice a month tow a decent load and need to go longer distances. Those who use their same vehicle as their daily.

The thing is, that market is more niche than the BEV Lightning market. Ford’s biggest issues with BEV Lighting sales was Fords lack of marketing and educating the market on what the Lightning is and what it can do for them. The worst part is the market is currently primed for EV sales and I’m sure most are hesitant to get a Lightning due to obvious discontinuation issues.

Achieve Better Range While Towing
Necessary - but not anything extreme. I think matching the gas models (350mi moderate weight with V6) would be completely fine.

Beat the F-150 Hybrid’s Range
Absolutely not necessary - 800mi is so overkill for almost anyone. 600mi total would be more than enough...that's six straight hours of driving basically...who isn't stopping somewhere in there?

All great points. That said, towing range is perfectly fine for most. The bigger issue is the slow charging speed when you must charge more often. This is where the truck really needs a 15 minute 10-80% ability to charge. Faster charging speeds solve so many issues.

As a side note, I HIGHLY suspect our trucks could charge significantly faster but Ford Is holding them back for warranty purposes. I wish they would have pushed the envelope further with the existing packs and cooling.

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[electricpig]

First, I don't believe the EREV exist in any meaningful way. Ford simply threw that out because they got caught with their pants down AGAIN! They threw that out as a distraction because they had no plan when they cancelled the Lightning kiss the orange potato, and a enormous tax write off that improved profits.

But if by chance I'm wrong and the EREV is truly well into design etc, then it need a data wipe to remove it from existence. It is almost certain to be cancelled due to changing economies of EV scaling, and potential geopolitical issues

JMHO

 

[K6CCC]

As a side note, I HIGHLY suspect our trucks could charge significantly faster but Ford Is holding them back for warranty purposes.

Nope. The CCS-1 standard is 500 amps max. At the lightning's relatively low battery voltage, about 190 KW is the max you're gong to see. About the only thing they could do is change the curve so the power stays up longer in the charge. Keeping it up around 180 KW till it gets at least close to 80% would speed it up some. However I just looked at my charging history. Other than a few that were on 150 KW max chargers, every single fast charge session that did NOT exceed 80% averaged at least 150 KW charge rate. Obviously once you hit 80% and it ramps down to just over 60 KW charge rate, the average for that charge session drops way off.

 

[ClevelandBeemer]

Nope. The CCS-1 standard is 500 amps max. At the lightning's relatively low battery voltage, about 190 KW is the max you're gong to see. About the only thing they could do is change the curve so the power stays up longer in the charge. Keeping it up around 180 KW till it gets at least close to 80% would speed it up some. However I just looked at my charging history. Other than a few that were on 150 KW max chargers, every single fast charge session that did NOT exceed 80% averaged at least 150 KW charge rate. Obviously once you hit 80% and it ramps down to just over 60 KW charge rate, the average for that charge session drops way off.

Yep, I’m aware. However the trucks do not hold 500a for a very long time. What I’m referring to is the curve being flatter vs dropping to < 400A so quickly. Here you can see it drop off before the battery is anywhere near hot. The temp scale is in Fahrenheit.

 

[TaxmanHog]

A pure BEV truck with faster charging would do well in my use case, until then EREV is still on my radar around 2032, which is when I plan to flip the Lightning.

 

[ClevelandBeemer]

"Battery" temp isn't the only temp to worry about. It could be limited due to the high voltage contactors, or some of the circuitry, or something else other than cell pouch temp.

Totally fair. If there is such a component limitation, it’s not available for me to pull temp data. Ahh well. Here’s hoping the next gen can step up the voltage when charging.

 

[Shawnson]

My hope is still that Ford offers the next Lightning in two flavors - pure electric, or EREV version. Both could be assembled at the same plant I would imagine if they share as much of the design as possible between the two.

My thoughts have been, why can’t we get a plug in the bed, and some attachment points to securely hold a ford built generator. If you never have a use for it, don’t buy it. If you use it once in a blue moon, you can just pull it in when you use it. And if you’re a lunatic with range anxiety you’ll eventually realize it just sits in there for no reason and you’ll take it out.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

Things you would expect are mentioned in here. But still no details yet on the actual vehicle Ford is planning.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/ford-f150-erev-lessons-from-lightning

No more info to share at this time. Not sure if y'all want me to provide info on it or not (you let me know) when the time comes. If yes, I'll make sure to collect what I can.

 

[TaxmanHog]

No more info to share at this time. Not sure if y'all want me to provide info on it or not (you let me know) when the time comes. If yes, I'll make sure to collect what I can.

ABSOLUTELY, please provide more EREV content, or ..... the Ford sponsored forum where it'll be promoted, I'll go there for the det's.

 

[gbuydos]

People like convenience. Time is convenience. Having to stop and charge for an hour or two, vs. a 15 minute fill defeats convenience. When those reach parity, then you will feel success.

 

[jwrezz]

The only thing that the upcoming f150 lightning needs, and is a deal breaker for me without it, is a BEV variant.

And a frunk!

 

[The Weatherman]

Here’s more insight into FORDs big blunder.

Doug Fields is out as the head of the Electrification Group. Guess Farley found his scape goat.

I predict Jimbo will be gone before year end.

 

[jwrezz]

Because towing, and has need to tow, are different things.

I have a Lightning, and a travel trailer, and doing any distance using my one and only truck that cost a lot of money is not feasible.

CAN it do it? Yes. Would you want to? No. An hour of driving for an hour of charging is not feasible. And even for shorter distances the need to find a dcfc within 15 minutes of your destination is severely limiting.

I don't know how long a diesel can go while towing but it's range is reduced too, no? All we need is a couple or 3 hundred miles and charging that matches gas fill-up times.

 

[jwrezz]

A pure BEV truck with faster charging would do well in my use case, until then EREV is still on my radar around 2032, which is when I plan to flip the Lightning.

2032?!? ALL of the issues listed that some how have people thinking an EREV with any petroleum fuel is needed, all of them, will be solved by then. Batteries will be higher energy density so more range same weight. Charging will be faster. Likely closer to a 10 minute stop. In 2032 if we're still having a discussion anything like this, I'll eat my shoe.

 

[PJnc284]

My thoughts have been, why can’t we get a plug in the bed, and some attachment points to securely hold a ford built generator. If you never have a use for it, don’t buy it. If you use it once in a blue moon, you can just pull it in when you use it. And if you’re a lunatic with range anxiety you’ll eventually realize it just sits in there for no reason and you’ll take it out.

Everdrive will basically make that a reality. It's only level 2 so you're limited to the max ac speeds your truck supports though so the benefit will be limited if towing a good load

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