[Feature Rollout] Pro Power Onboard with Vehicle Off

[Maxx]

23 here and no sign of 25.8.5 update. I guess I will have to sit this one out.

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[Maxx]

You can do this now! I'm collecting 7.8 kWh/day in the summer today. While driving or parked. No significant impact on highway efficiency. 70% more energy captured than the Aptera. But, we're 25% as efficient as that Aptera in moving the vehicle forward.

Do you mind sharing your setup (parts and how you charge your pack)?

 

[rockfish]

Showed up on mine yesterday. MY23 ER

 

[jrgolf]

Brian is great. Ford however, is not. This update taking 4+ years is crazy, I mean the truck has already been discontinued, lol come on now. They don't get a pat on the back for something that could have been coded and pushed out in a week.

I'll be leaving my truck on anyway because of the auto shut off. When I'm tailgating, cheap LED TV's are so efficient nowadays that they don't even use 100w anymore. I have no interest in carrying around a space heater and timer everywhere I go. I just shut off all the lights and leave the vehicle on.

This update wasn't much of an improvement. Just saying.

Spot on, 100w minimum kills it for me, I always leave the truck on.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

Not sure what EAP stands for but I do not have the powertrain update on my 23 lariat. Wondering how to get the powertrain update.

The powertrain prereq continues to be deployed - but we're most of the way through it.

 

[detansinn]

I know that it's a small thing, but it will be nice to not have the truck constantly highjacking my phone when I am using ProPower on board.

Thank you for this update!

 

[K6CCC]

I know that it's a small thing, but it will be nice to not have the truck constantly highjacking my phone when I am using ProPower on board.

Not an issue for me with PPOB since I have a 24, but yes on other times that I leave the truck on (usually to keep the AC running), it is annoying to be 100 feet from the truck and have the phone ring and realize that the audio is routing to the truck.

Spot on, 100w minimum kills it for me, I always leave the truck on.

Just not a big deal. I bought the short interval timer and 100W heater before my second overnight trip where I needed to power my CPAP from the inverter. They just live in the lower section of the frunk along with the Ford Mobile Charge Cord and a 50 foot extension cord. Yes, it's a work around, but it's easy enough to do. I'll likely one of these days want the heater for actually keeping warm...

 

[GoodSam]

When I first did the FORscan tweak to have PPOB ON with the truck OFF capability, and while I was testing it for several hours (over 4 hours), my 12v battery SOC apparently got down to the level where the PPOB shut off. I did not have it on a maintainer.

If using the PPOB while the truck is off, and the 12V battery drops, it would seem necessary to keep a maintainer on the 12V battery. Perhaps the 12V charger could be kept in the frunk, plugged in with the frunk closed, if its draw was less than the 150Watt limit when the frunk is closed. A 2Amp draw at 12V is only 24Watts, so just a small unit like a Deltran or other battery tender would work. Would this suffice like your external maintainer does, just keep the PPOB on, while truck is off?

 

[chl]

If using the PPOB while the truck is off, and the 12V battery drops, it would seem necessary to keep a maintainer on the 12V battery. Perhaps the 12V charger could be kept in the frunk, plugged in with the frunk closed, if its draw was less than the 150Watt limit when the frunk is closed. A 2Amp draw at 12V is only 24Watts, so just a small unit like a Deltran or other battery tender would work. Would this suffice like your external maintainer does, just keep the PPOB on, while truck is off?

Yes, one of the other owner who had the issue, but runs PPOB with the truck ON, used a maintainer and the issue was solved.

I have a set up with my truck to maintain it all the time from home utility (120v outlet in garage).

Like other owners who do this I set up a wire that can be accessed externally at the charge port:

You can view more ideas and how we do it at the thread here:

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/charging-12v-battery.16979/

 

[Wendy]

I think the concern might be the 12v battery drain as well as the HVB if you are not using the PPOB but leave it on accidentally. The design might be assuming you forgot to shut it off and may leave it on for a long time which could deplete the batteries.

The DC-AC converter uses some HVB energy when ever it is ON even if not powering a load.

Like the POWER DOWN TIMER it may be to protect the 12v battery as well.

The minimum wattage requirement rational could be/is probably another way to ensure the batteries are not drained 'inadvertently' because you left PPOB ON when not using it?

Running PPOB does require some 12v battery use - the 12v battery is involved in keeping the contactors closed to connect the HVB to the DC-AC innverter(s), and communicate with the app etc.
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ALSO NOTE:

Some owners have had the PPOB turn off prematurely and abruptly with no warning when the 12v battery got 'low' even when running PPOB with the truck ON.

By prematurely, I mean BEFORE it reached the set reserve. And by abruptly I mena there was no warning message issued to the FORD app.

Running the PPOB with the truck OFF could have the same effect of draining the 12v battery and causing a premature abrupt shut down.

The solution that eliminated the 'low'12v battery issue one owner was having was to keep it on a maintainer while running PPOB.

When I first did the FORscan tweak to have PPOB ON with the truck OFF capability, and while I was testing it for several hours (over 4 hours), my 12v battery SOC apparently got down to the level where the PPOB shut off. I did not have it on a maintainer.

It seems the truck might go into into 'battery saver mode' and off-loaded the PPOB function. Like the other owner, I did not notice any warning message on the FORD app.

Another glitch that was noticed with the PPOB was that turning on the climate with the FORD app caused the PPOB to shut down abruptly, whether the truck was ON or OFF.

I accidentally touched Climate on the FORD app screen while running PPOB and it shut PPOB off.

I have no theory as to why turning on the climate with the FORD app shut off PPOB. I did notice that the heated seat was in the full on high setting when the climate came on despite the fact I never used it that high...maybe that was involved somehow.

The FORD team had me run several experiments over the last few weeks to demonstrate the above PPOB issues to collect data from my truck so they could work on understanding what is happening and maybe find a fix.

This is the thread about the reserve limit premature shut down issue:

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/pro-power-reserve-limit-fails.35984/

I was thinking that plugging in a maintainer while using PPOB Would be a good idea. What combination of accessories would get you up to 100w … maintainer plus fridge plus phone battery charger plus …?

 

[capt_ramius]

@Ford Motor Company, is this also rolling out to XLT and Pro Lightnings with the other Sync (smaller screen) system?

 

[harlano]

@Ford Motor Company, is this also rolling out to XLT and Pro Lightnings with the other Sync (smaller screen) system?

I have a '23 XLT with the smaller screen and I found out I got it when I got in the truck this morning, so it must have been sometime last night.

 

[chl]

I was thinking that plugging in a maintainer while using PPOB Would be a good idea. What combination of accessories would get you up to 100w … maintainer plus fridge plus phone battery charger plus …?

Well if you have an old lamp and a 100W bulb incandescent bulb, you're good to go.

The maintainers turn on and off periodically once they reach 100% battery and float, so they would not maintain a constant power/current draw. Same with phone chargers.

There was a post above somewhere I think where someone used an ON / OFF timer and a small heater to keep the minimum for the right length of time.

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...er-onboard-with-vehicle-off.38010/post-710404


The timer: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09BZ8LQFB?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title
The heater: https://a.co/d/08iG7VSx


Just to be clear, if when you are USING the PPOB the load is always more than 100W, you don't have to worry. It is only if you are using it intermittently or using less than 100W that you have to worry about that minimum use requirement.

I don't use it that way, I use PPOB for emergency circuits backup in the case of a utility power outage and run around 800W all the time with the air filtration system and all the household 'vampires' that use power 24/7.

 

[GoodSam]

Still wonder if small <2Amp battery tender in frunk would be ok, no leads going out the side of the truck! Plus the timer/heater setup to activate 1 second every 220 seconds (Thanks @K6CCC). Hopefully there is a small heater <100Watts that would allow that to be in the frunk as well to keep under the 150W limit on the receptacles in the frunk when it is closed.

 

[chl]

Still wonder if small <2Amp battery tender in frunk would be ok, no leads going out the side of the truck! Plus the timer/heater setup to activater ~5 seconds every ~5 minutes. Hopefully there is a small heater <100Watts that would allow that to be in the frunk as well.

Yes, it could be in the Frunk and tend the battery using PPOB...I haven't tried it but I remember there was one owner who did.

When I use my PPOB, there is at least one wire going out of the truck from the 240V 30A outlet in the bed to my transfer switch.

When my 12v battery is fully topped off, I can run PPOB for at least 8 hours with no 12v battery problem even without a maintainer on it at the same time.

As long as I don't accidentally activate the Climate or schedule a departure time with preconditioning during the PPOB use - those cause it to stop. The Ford team is working on figuring out a fix for that.

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