Phone as a key update required

[jakes_02]

Did Ford finally figure out I lost my FOB a few months ago and have only used my phone as PAAK since then.

Is this a security feature or a real update that is going to cause me problems since I can’t find it. lol….

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[TaxmanHog]

Did Ford finally figure out I lost my FOB a few months ago and have only used my phone as PAAK since then.

Is this a security feature or a real update that is going to cause me problems since I can’t find it. lol….

No, I've seen that happen and I've always carried my FOB with me, so it's not because you haven't used the FOB at all. IIRC you should have the FOB present during this routine in the event the update munges the current PAAK configuration, better find that FOB or go to the dealer to have another made.

 

[MidAtlanticLightningClub]

Sorry, it's not all about you. Many of us are having to update PaaK.

 

[16cards]

Ford has been slowly updating to a new PaaK configuration since April. You well need a FOB in order to upgrade.

 

[farmtruck]

I got this three days ago. Took about two minutes and while Ford said I needed a fob, it did not use it in the update

 

[GDN]

I got this three days ago. Took about two minutes and while Ford said I needed a fob, it did not use it in the update

I got it about the same time as well. I got my fob and had it in the truck, I also was never instructed to interact with it during the process, but I figured it was authenticated during the new key process. It would need to know which profile/fob to tie my PAAK to somehow.

I guess we need a guinea pig, who is willing to try and update their PAAK without getting their FOB? I need to check my partners phone, if he needs the update then I'll try it without the fob tonight.

 

[farmtruck]

I got it about the same time as well. I got my fob and had it in the truck, I also was never instructed to interact with it during the process, but I figured it was authenticated during the new key process. It would need to know which profile/fob to tie my PAAK to somehow.

I guess we need a guinea pig, who is willing to try and update their PAAK without getting their FOB? I need to check my partners phone, if he needs the update then I'll try it without the fob tonight.

I didn't have the fob directly with me when I did the update. It was about 50ft away in the house. I saw and started the update, went to get the fob and before I got back, the update was done.

 

[Citizen0]

I updated in my '22 Lightning yesterday. The PAAK update worked without issue, but the new backup passcode is failing with a "see dealership" error after entering the new password twice. I haven't started looking for fixes yet, but will report back if I find out anything.

 

[Ricks Lightning]

Has anyone ever had PAAK work on 24 Flash?
Ford actually sent me instructions even though I know the Flash didn't have it from the get go.
Rick

 

[K6CCC]

Has anyone ever had PAAK work on 24 Flash?

Flash trim level does not have PAAK.

 

[Ricks Lightning]

Flash trim level does not have PAAK.

I know that, but the Ford CS rep I spoke to months after my purchase actually sent me the instructions on how to program it. She had my model and vin number too.

Rick

 

[jimfigler]

I know that, but the Ford CS rep I spoke to months after my purchase actually sent me the instructions on how to program it. She had my model and vin number too.

Rick

Even if they sent you instructions why would it work on a Flash? The CS was probably mistaken

 

[Ricks Lightning]

Even if they sent you instructions why would it work on a Flash? The CS was probably mistaken

Correct. I even questioned her. But she had my vin and looked it up. I'm not talking a dealer, I'm talking about Ford's BEV team.

What's amazing is I've called them twice now about BC1.4 with no luck other than it's a roll out by Vin #s , yet they are more than willing to help with PAAK when I already knew it didn't exist.

What extra hardware is needed to get PAAK. Seems like it should just be a programming thing since we already have WAL. Along with Bluetooth and wifi.

Rick

 

[jimfigler]

Correct. I even questioned her. But she had my vin and looked it up. I'm not talking a dealer, I'm talking about Ford's BEV team.

What's amazing is I've called them twice now about BC1.4 with no luck other than it's a roll out by Vin #s , yet they are more than willing to help with PAAK when I already knew it didn't exist.

What extra hardware is needed to get PAAK. Seems like it should just be a programming thing since we already have WAL. Along with Bluetooth and wifi.

Rick

Possibly, sure sounds interesting for all the Flash owners

 

[16cards]

What extra hardware is needed to get PAAK. Seems like it should just be a programming thing since we already have WAL. Along with Bluetooth and wifi.

Now you've got me curious... how many configured Bluetooth pairings do you have on your Android or iPhone? I have two. One called "Ford F-150 Lightning" and the other "XXXXX F-150". The latter is, of course, a masked number, which I assume is unique to my vehicle.

The way I've understood it is that PaaK Bluetooth is independent of the infotainment system Bluetooth. Meaning, there are two different modules in the truck supporting different functions. Infotainment is for headset and media Bluetooth profiles whereas PaaK Bluetooth is likely a series of custom Bluetooth LE GATT services utilizing additional security. Setting up PaaK is likely creating a private/public key pair with the private being transferred to the FordPass app.

Does Flash allow frunk and tailgate opening and closing from FordPass app? I would guess these functions would align more with the PaaK features and not infotainment features.

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