Tesla Supercharger PSA

[potato]

Regardless of plug count. The root of the problem is that most DCFC stations are not pull through like all gas stations are. I'm glad Tesla dragged us kicking and screaming into the world of EVs, but I wish they'd had more foresight when setting the example for charging station design.

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[dorbi]

I agree that for roadtripping, a 50-60 KW charger is of very limited utility except at an overnight stop. Not useless - especially if it's your only option.

Really? Maybe I'm just used to the 77kWh pack in our ID.4, but if I'm going from 10%-80%, a 50kW DCFC will take 1 hour. That's a perfect time while stopping for dinner, in my opinion

 

[MidAtlanticLightningClub]

Note that this is a picture of a European V2 station. Those were upgraded to include a second CCS2 plug in addition to the NACS plug.

North American V2 stations are identical to V3 stations, but have a thicker cable. V3 stations have water-cooled cables, which allows them to be thinner.

Correct. US V2 dispensers only have one cable. Here's a US image.

While the v2 and v3 boxes are pretty much the same, you can see a difference up close in that the v3 cable (left) has a narrower, liquid-cooled cable and has a black ring at the base of the handle. The v2 cable is thicker and has a silver ring at the base of the handle.

 

[K6CCC]

Really? Maybe I'm just used to the 77kWh pack in our ID.4, but if I'm going from 10%-80%, a 50kW DCFC will take 1 hour. That's a perfect time while stopping for dinner, in my opinion

Now almost double the size of the battery and that hour dinner stop gets you maybe 40% if you're lucky. Maybe 100 miles of range. at best (likely less). And on a road trip, I am seldom going to spend an hour for a meal except at an overnight spot.
Like I said, not useless, but only marginally helpful unless it's your only option.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Any 50 kW CCS1 charger in the far-away places I drive is infinitely more useful than a V2 Tesla charger.

A 2-plug 125 kW charger with both plugs in use is infinitely more useful than a 120-plug V3 SC station 30 miles outside of my range.

In the real world of today, a BEV tow vehicle with a front charge port is significantly better than a tow vehicle with a rear charge port when towing. When not towing, I barely care, but would still prefer a front-right charge port since that’s the most versatile location for a charge port given the charging stations of today.

I don’t mind blocking two stalls at an SC. I usually avoid SCs unless it’s a large station (40+ ports) since the smaller stations regularly have Teslas parked every-other-stall and that makes it as problematic as any other brand with a completely full station. An 8 or 12 stall SC is a definite bypass for me unless it’s absolutely critical that I stop there.

 

[RickLightning]

In all the trips we have taken, I can think of a handful of times that I used a station 50Kw or lower. All but one were free charges (one is in Jackson Hole). Several 125kW that in reality are 62kW per vehicle shared. 99% of the time I am using a Tesla charger or 150kW or higher. Charging a 131kWh battery needing 70% charge on a 50kW charger delivering 45kW is mind numbingly slow.

 

[electricpig]

My 1989 Chevy 1500 extended cab pickup was longer than these trucks (smaller cab, but 8-foot bed).

The cameras are only "essential" for people who never learned how to drive and park a vehicle that didn't have one.

And pulling forward out of a parking space is less risky than backing out of a space.

Actually look at a F150 from 1995, it's the size of the Ranger now. End of story. Doesn't matter what YOU had blah blah blah ... Doesn't matter what YOU think you are. Doesn't matter that you are trying to perteay yourself as superior in some way. Your trying to make it person, just proves you got nothing. I do not care what you can or can not do, or what you think is worthy. It's meaningless drivel. Simply no doubt the as a whole, people are far better going forward than backward. simple fact that nearly all infrastructure outside of Tesla is designed for pulling forward into parking or fueling. ABSOLUTE FACT!! Wonder why that is the case????

So run along and kiss Elons feet. Enjoy your deeply flawed design. Done with your trolling . Goodbye!

 

[garsh]

Simply no doubt the as a whole, people are far better going forward than backward. simple fact that nearly all infrastructure outside of Tesla is designed for pulling forward into parking or fueling. ABSOLUTE FACT!!

Man, you're really taking this personally, aren't you?

I agree that people are generally better at going forward than backward. I also agree that pull-through refueling is best as it allows everyone to keep going forward.

I disagree about pulling forward into a parking space (whether for charging, or for just parking). That just means you need to BACK OUT of the space later, when the cars parked on either side of you make it difficult to see if there's a car driving down the aisle towards you. It increases the chances of you having a fender bender or hitting a pedestrian when you go to leave.

OTOH, if you BACK INTO a parking space, you have full view of both the parking space and the aisle while you're performing the difficult part. Then you're able to go forward - which you agree is easier for people - when you go to leave the parking space.

I don't understand why you seem to be ignoring the fact that your "pulling in" preference results in having to "go backwards out".

 

[DavidS]

Man, you're really taking this personally, aren't you?

I agree that people are generally better at going forward than backward. I also agree that pull-through refueling is best as it allows everyone to keep going forward.

I disagree about pulling forward into a parking space (whether for charging, or for just parking). That just means you need to BACK OUT of the space later, when the cars parked on either side of you make it difficult to see if there's a car driving down the aisle towards you. It increases the chances of you having a fender bender or hitting a pedestrian when you go to leave.

OTOH, if you BACK INTO a parking space, you have full view of both the parking space and the aisle while you're performing the difficult part. Then you're able to go forward - which you agree is easier for people - when you go to leave the parking space.

I don't understand why you seem to be ignoring the fact that your "pulling in" preference results in having to "go backwards out".

I would agree for most trucks it’s better to back in but on the higher trim Lightnings it really doesn’t make a difference, between the cross traffic radar and backup cameras, there’s really no blind spots backing out of a parking spot.

 

[MidAtlanticLightningClub]

Actually look at a F150 from 1995, it's the size of the Ranger now. End of story. Doesn't matter what YOU had blah blah blah ... Doesn't matter what YOU think you are. Doesn't matter that you are trying to perteay yourself as superior in some way. Your trying to make it person, just proves you got nothing. I do not care what you can or can not do, or what you think is worthy. It's meaningless drivel. Simply no doubt the as a whole, people are far better going forward than backward. simple fact that nearly all infrastructure outside of Tesla is designed for pulling forward into parking or fueling. ABSOLUTE FACT!! Wonder why that is the case????

So run along and kiss Elons feet. Enjoy your deeply flawed design. Done with your trolling . Goodbye!

 

[Zprime29]

After driving the Lightning for 3 year (an no prior experience driving a pickup), I can with 100% confidence that I still suck at parking. 90 degree pull in? It's embarrassing to watch me attempt it. Angled pull in? I can mostly handle it, although I often turn too soon and have to back up to get centered. I've gotten pretty decent at backing in 90 degrees, as long as I'm able to angle myself before backing in. My older brother, who has been driving large pickups/work trucks for 30 years, gives me so much grief over it. He's able to tell I took a bad angle about 13ms after I start the turn.

All that is to say the sooner we get wireless charging the better.

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