Important Update: Ford EV Roadmap & Future of F-150 Lightning (EREV Next Gen Model) - ⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS

[gbuydos]

After coming out of the other side of frustration with Ford. Building this amazing truck and then dropping it like hot, flaming poo - is the service we get for 10 years. Dealers already struggled with this truck and it’s not gonna get better now. I don’t believe we can trust Ford anymore and I can’t shake that feeling. I have an automobile with a lot of warranty left and now it feels like that warranty will be meaningless. I love my truck but it feels like Ford just gathered us all up and pushed us and our trucks off a cliff, to be forgotten.

Why do you think General Motors crushed all the EV1s.

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[Gimme_my_MME]

but only time will tell

 

[nanohead]

It’s not the US. It’s the market. Unfortunately at this time people don’t want EVs in mass. I like the idea of letting the market decide. When the prices are right, and the time to charge shortens and you can tow a decent distance I think lots more people will go that way. I love my 23 ER. I won’t be getting rid of it anytime soon. In fact I don’t think I’d go back to a ICE vehicle. But there are others that think differently. The problem was we were creating a false market by incentivizing people to buy one using tax dollars. Believe we all pay for it. That money does not come out of thin air. The market will correct and we will see what comes of it.

Incredibly rational and all true. Not sure where all the hysteria comes from regarding this announcement. Models get introduced and cancelled all the time from every automaker. I'm not insulted or hurt that the Lightning is cancelled. Also love our 23ER, but had also put a deposit on a Ram Charger, as I have come to despise public charging with a passion. Having a full size pickup is great, but if you can't actually get anywhere without tons of drama (ie the public charging debacle), well, its a challenge.

So will wait and see what the new iteration of the electrified F150 will look like. If a manufacturer comes out with a mid size hybridish pickup, maybe we'll go for it.

We were fortunate too.... we have a Mach E as well as Lightning and were able to get both the federal as well as state incentives for both. I would have bought them regardless (especially the Mach E).

I also don't think the slack demand for EVs is solely based on the tax incentives, as they've run out for many manufacturers in the US already. Demand is falling all over the world for lots of reasons.... I know many people who are EV curious always ask about charging, and most of them know its a trainwreck. And this is not just a US problem, its a world problem.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Incredibly rational and all true. Not sure where all the hysteria comes from regarding this announcement. Models get introduced and cancelled all the time from every automaker. I'm not insulted or hurt that the Lightning is cancelled. Also love our 23ER, but had also put a deposit on a Ram Charger, as I have come to despise public charging with a passion. Having a full size pickup is great, but if you can't actually get anywhere without tons of drama (ie the public charging debacle), well, its a challenge.

So will wait and see what the new iteration of the electrified F150 will look like. If a manufacturer comes out with a mid size hybridish pickup, maybe we'll go for it.

We were fortunate too.... we have a Mach E as well as Lightning and were able to get both the federal as well as state incentives for both. I would have bought them regardless (especially the Mach E).

I also don't think the slack demand for EVs is solely based on the tax incentives, as they've run out for many manufacturers in the US already. Demand is falling all over the world for lots of reasons.... I know many people who are EV curious always ask about charging, and most of them know its a trainwreck. And this is not just a US problem, its a world problem.

Exactly right. Models from all manufacturers get killed off regularly and the sky never falls. Warranties stay in place, values don’t crater and parts are available for many years to come. And yes EV demand growth is often stalling elsewhere too for various reasons…many of which are the same reasons as here.

Models killed in 2025 alone. Including some EVs like the Acura ZDX:

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g62567691/dead-cars-trucks-2025/

 

[NW Ontario Ford Lightning]

Exactly. So you’re indeed validating my point. The “rest of the world” isn’t anywhere close to 100% as was said earlier.

Correct - there is no nation at 100% EV fleet. Even the countries with "95% of new car sales are EV's" generally gloss over the 70% of the active on the road vehicles remain ICE, and it will take a long time to fully replace ICE with EV's even with the very high EV sales in say Norway.
A search shows:
30% of cars on the road today in Norway are EV's, expected to hit 33% by end of 2025.
New car sales are 95% EV's
New Car sales in Norway are approximately 5% of the fleet each year.
At current projections Norway will not be 100% EV for about 15 more years, ie 2040.

If you study the transition from sail to steam, from coal to oil, from horses to cars, from wood and coal buring to natural gas use, and now heat pumps... there is a typical pattern and it takes longer than you expect ,upwards of 70 years for a change to dominate. In all cases it seems the new technology has to achieve Price Parity with the old one before things really take off.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Correct - there is no nation at 100% EV fleet. Even the countries with "95% of new car sales are EV's" generally gloss over the 70% of the active on the road vehicles remain ICE, and it will take a long time to fully replace ICE with EV's even with the very high EV sales in say Norway.
A search shows:
30% of cars on the road today in Norway are EV's, expected to hit 33% by end of 2025.
New car sales are 95% EV's
New Car sales in Norway are approximately 5% of the fleet each year.
At current projections Norway will not be 100% EV for about 15 more years, ie 2040.

Yep

 

[LariatLarry]

hey guys, I haven’t been able to read all 42 pages here. I’m in the disappointed category.

Wondering what’s going on with all the other 100% electric trucks? Are they on a similar trajectory, or is it only a Ford-Lightning problem?

I’m hoping that I’ll be driving my 24 lariat for the next 10-15 yrs, love it.

 

[Pitbull2o08]

Only U.S. for now. Checking with Canadian colleagues.

Please address the HIS issues (third time asking in this thread)

 

[PJnc284]

Please address the HIS issues (third time asking in this thread)

Considering how it's gone so far, I wouldn't have high hopes for the future.

 

[Scorpio3d]

Am I crazy or can someone correct me if I'm wrong...?​

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As far as I understand EREVs, the generator charging the battery is literally only used to charge the battery - as in it cannot be used to move the vehicle or provide any other traditional engine functions... right?​

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If this is the case, why are so many hung up on maintenance?​

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From my possibly related experience with an actual generator used to power my house in an outage - the only maintenance has been changing the oil, filters and new spark plugs...and this thing is almost 30 years old...and has seen zero professional servicing lol.​

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I get not being pure BEV is a bummer (I'm disappointed too) but I don't think an EREV will be the stealership maintenance monster people are making it out to be...​

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Ford has made a ton of unforced errors with the Lightning for sure, but I'm interested in seeing where this goes. I just hope they've taken ALL the feedback from the Lightning to heart​

You are not wrong in part one!
Being hung up on maintenance at least for me it is because with the current iteration of the Ford lightning, there is virtually no maintenance at all!!!
I have done my own oil changes and 99% of the other maintenance for my and my children’s vehicles for longer than you’ve owned your generator and it’s just such a PITA versus not having any!
Just my two cents!

 

[Shmoe]

Correct - there is no nation at 100% EV fleet. Even the countries with "95% of new car sales are EV's" generally gloss over the 70% of the active on the road vehicles remain ICE, and it will take a long time to fully replace ICE with EV's even with the very high EV sales in say Norway.
A search shows:
30% of cars on the road today in Norway are EV's, expected to hit 33% by end of 2025.
New car sales are 95% EV's
New Car sales in Norway are approximately 5% of the fleet each year.
At current projections Norway will not be 100% EV for about 15 more years, ie 2040.

If you study the transition from sail to steam, from coal to oil, from horses to cars, from wood and coal buring to natural gas use, and now heat pumps... there is a typical pattern and it takes longer than you expect ,upwards of 70 years for a change to dominate. In all cases it seems the new technology has to achieve Price Parity with the old one before things really take off.

Has anyone said anything other than the United States is lagging sorely behind the rest of the world? The statement stands, and is still true.

Where it will take them 15 more years, we're on track for half a century or more of "no take my vroom vroom".

 

[TruckOwner1]

Personally, I am not upset at Ford's decision to cancel the lightning. They are losing money on the platform, so they have to do something.

I'm also not opposed to EREV's. In fact, I was excited about the toolbox generator before the Lightning even came to market. I could see a world where Ford or some 3rd party would lease the generator whenever you were planning on taking a trip through areas with poor charging infrastructure.

What bothers me is that Ford is taking the wrong lesson from their failures. I am hoping they will call off this train wreck before they throw away even more money. Despite how large they are, there is a limit to how much money they can waste. As expensive as vehicles have become, if Ford has to sell off it will lead to even higher prices.

 

[Hawkman]

First of all, thank you to everyone for the candid feedback and discussions in this forum. I have been sharing common themes with management. I want to triple down on something initially shared. Like all vehicles, we will maintain parts and service for 10 years. We are also committed to ensuring ongoing support of our vehicles’ software quality and experience.


Sharing more information on the above as I get my hands on it.

• We have good dealer stock of F-150 Lightning now and more in transit to dealers for those who may want one
• We expect to have F-150 Lightning inventory into 2026, so there is plenty of opportunity for customers to get a Lightning for many months
• We will have early bird and renewal programs in place to support returning F-150 Lightning lessees and owners to get into another truck
• We will add additional programs next year to extend leases for customers interested in our new electric (UEV) pickup truck coming in 2027
• We will add additional programs to support off-lease customers who are interested in purchasing their F-150L and keep it for a long time
• Ford Power Promise continues in 2026

I don't like the fact that it seems Ford is catering to those who leased and not providing any relief for those who bought.

Also, why should we believe Ford about any new technology in new vehicles? They just proved that they don't stand behind their "new" products. Should we buy into their new idea only to abandon it 3 years later?

 

[NW Ontario Ford Lightning]

Has anyone said anything other than the United States is lagging sorely behind the rest of the world? The statement stands, and is still true.

Where it will take them 15 more years, we're on track for half a century or more of "no take my vroom vroom".

If you consider the US personal auto fleet is approx 300-million cars/Lt trucks,
of those 4-million are currently EV/PHEV.
New car sales are 14-15 million units per year...of those 1-2 million are EV/PHEV units.
even if 100% of new passenger vehicles sold from now on were EV's - it would take 20 years to replace the fleet, and we can't build 14-million EV's per year currently.

The point is, "no matter what", a transition from ICE to EV will take a lot longer than most people realize, even in coutries like Norway, the minimum is 15 more years. In N. America the EV output at current rates of growth will take 60-80 years just to make 300-million new EV/PHEV vehicles...and then theres the rest of the infrastructure to go with that.

 

[TaxmanHog]

All members of the forum, PLEASE review your posts in this thread for disrespectful statements, consider adjusting the post such that it does not incite anger amongst the population of readers, that goes for all perspectives and points of view.

It's been a rough week reading the news about our beloved Lightning, but what is a greater challenge is reading the divisive sentiments.

Thank you to all who have shared your gut felt reaction and personal analysis of what the future brings.

Let's keep the forum a place that welcomes all Ford Lightning BEV enthusiast, we have a long way to go driving these trucks, positive & helpful contributions are welcome, anything else is subject to removal at the call of the forum administration.

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