2025 Lariat - Federal EV Credit Help (Dealership claims it was denied)

[Hammick]

Why isn't the tax credit being given at the point of sale? Are dealer's nervous orangie will tell the IRS not to honor the credit?

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[RickLightning]

Why isn't the rebate being given at the point of sale? Are dealer's nervous orangie will tell the IRS not to honor the credit?

It's a tax credit, not a rebate.

Dealership puts the information in the IRS computer, and the tax credit is approved. THEN, the dealership deducts it from the sale.

If the IRS never accepted the tax credit, then the dealership would never get the $7,500, and they'd be out the money.

 

[Hammick]

It's a tax credit, not a rebate.

Dealership puts the information in the IRS computer, and the tax credit is approved. THEN, the dealership deducts it from the sale.

If the IRS never accepted the tax credit, then the dealership would never get the $7,500, and they'd be out the money.

Sorry meant tax credit. Edited above.

 

[dwjduck]

Same thing just happened to me. Bought the truck on Saturday. Today I get a message to call the GM. He reads me the same thing, says it could be temporary. He says I will have to claim the 7500 on my tax return instead of getting it taken off the truck price.

2 options

1 - redo the deal and increase price by the 7500 (although he is "looking to see what they can do on price")

2 - Take the truck back

I am not holding my breath on being able to claim the tax credit myself. I don't think they will be able to give me the needed "time of sale" document I will need since the system that generates that is not accepting this vehicle.

 

[bmwhitetx]

Same thing just happened to me. Bought the truck on Saturday. Today I get a message to call the GM. He reads me the same thing, says it could be temporary. He says I will have to claim the 7500 on my tax return instead of getting it taken off the truck price.

2 options

1 - redo the deal and increase price by the 7500 (although he is "looking to see what they can do on price")

2 - Take the truck back

I am not holding my breath on being able to claim the tax credit myself. I don't think they will be able to give me the needed "time of sale" document I will need since the system that generates that is not accepting this vehicle.

But the deal is done and they gave you a $7500 credit, right? Not suggest you totally blow him off but they will try a lot harder to resolve it if it's them holding the bag so to speak.

This is a Ford issue and Ford should reimburse him, not you.

 

[dwjduck]

But the deal is done and they gave you a $7500 credit, right? Not suggest you totally blow him off but they will try a lot harder to resolve it if it's them holding the bag so to speak.

This is a Ford issue and Ford should reimburse him, not you.

They are saying the deal wasn't finalized yet and that they are applying for the credit on your behalf, so it is not their fault the US Government is not allowing it at this time, although it may be a matter of days/weeks before it is once again ok to claim it in the system.

I am currently going back and forth with them to see what they "can do". If they dont eat most of it I will be taking the truck back.

 

[MountainAlive]

They are saying the deal wasn't finalized yet and that they are applying for the credit on your behalf, so it is not their fault the US Government is not allowing it at this time, although it may be a matter of days/weeks before it is once again ok to claim it in the system.

I am currently going back and forth with them to see what they "can do". If they dont eat most of it I will be taking the truck back.

Sounds like Ford needs to send a stronger alert out to dealerships about this issue.

 

[F150Redux]

They are saying the deal wasn't finalized yet and that they are applying for the credit on your behalf, so it is not their fault the US Government is not allowing it at this time, although it may be a matter of days/weeks before it is once again ok to claim it in the system.

I am currently going back and forth with them to see what they "can do". If they dont eat most of it I will be taking the truck back.

Well, to qoute the Sales Manager/General Manager from my dealer today: "You signed the paperwork, the deal is done. You agreed to it.

If it works for them to us, it should work the same way in reverse.

Yeah -- I went back out there today trying to get some answers. After an email last night and calls this morning no one responded. Not even the salesperson, who up until today was very reachable/responsive.

The final straw was when I went to do the paperwork for the MA MOR-EV rebate... they wanted a copy of the P&S, totally reasonable. So, I go to pull it out of the dealer envelope of papers, to make a copy, and it's missing the entire beginning (addresses, names, VIN, etc.). I looked at what I signed and expected exact copies to be in my envelope. Nope, it was truncated for some reason.

Tried to get ahold of the Finance guy and couldn't, so I just drove out there.

Sounds like Ford needs to send a stronger alert out to dealerships about this issue.

Most definitely. My dealership (Sales Mgr/GM again) tried telling me today they found the EFC (posted above) and told me about it. I made it 100% clear that they did not. They claimed I agreed that I might not get the $7500 rebate and that's why they "are losing $3000 on this deal, to make you happy."

When I asked why they didn't mention the EFC specifically, why they didn't show me the details, or why my salesperson didn't say "Yeah, we saw that the other day", they reverted to telling me I signed the papers and agreed to the deal.


The GM claims she is going to check today/tomorrow (still in the 72 hr window) and then weekly to see if it shows up in the portal.

I'm not holding my breath. Why would Ford/IRS add or allocate a VIN into the system that was already sold before they do whatever they might/might not do.

This whole process is crazy.

 

[BSEE SPARKY]

Well, to qoute the Sales Manager/General Manager from my dealer today: "You signed the paperwork, the deal is done. You agreed to it.

If it works for them to us, it should work the same way in reverse.

Yeah -- I went back out there today trying to get some answers. After an email last night and calls this morning no one responded. Not even the salesperson, who up until today was very reachable/responsive.

The final straw was when I went to do the paperwork for the MA MOR-EV rebate... they wanted a copy of the P&S, totally reasonable. So, I go to pull it out of the dealer envelope of papers, to make a copy, and it's missing the entire beginning (addresses, names, VIN, etc.). I looked at what I signed and expected exact copies to be in my envelope. Nope, it was truncated for some reason.

Tried to get ahold of the Finance guy and couldn't, so I just drove out there.



Most definitely. My dealership (Sales Mgr/GM again) tried telling me today they found the EFC (posted above) and told me about it. I made it 100% clear that they did not. They claimed I agreed that I might not get the $7500 rebate and that's why they "are losing $3000 on this deal, to make you happy."

When I asked why they didn't mention the EFC specifically, why they didn't show me the details, or why my salesperson didn't say "Yeah, we saw that the other day", they reverted to telling me I signed the papers and agreed to the deal.


The GM claims she is going to check today/tomorrow (still in the 72 hr window) and then weekly to see if it shows up in the portal.

I'm not holding my breath. Why would Ford/IRS add or allocate a VIN into the system that was already sold before they do whatever they might/might not do.

This whole process is crazy.

Sounds like it's time for you to return vehicle and say I have dicided against the purchase. See if they can't figure how to fix it.

 

[F150Redux]

Sounds like it's time for you to return vehicle and say I have dicided against the purchase. See if they can't figure how to fix it.

Can't. P&S was/is a binding contract and there's no cool-down period in MA.

If I get lucky, I can claim the rebate on my taxes, and then I'll have saved even more than what I was going to get originally (the supposed $3000 they "lost"). But again, I doubt it.

Edited to fix typo: "can't" to "can"

 

[BSEE SPARKY]

Can't. P&S was/is a binding contract and there's no cool-down period in MA.

If I get lucky, I can't claim the rebate on my taxes, and then I'll have saved even more than what I was going to get originally (the supposed $3000 they "lost"). But again, I doubt it.

Drats

 

[bmwhitetx]

They are saying the deal wasn't finalized yet and that they are applying for the credit on your behalf, so it is not their fault the US Government is not allowing it at this time, although it may be a matter of days/weeks before it is once again ok to claim it in the system.

I am currently going back and forth with them to see what they "can do". If they dont eat most of it I will be taking the truck back.

I'm not convinced it is the US/IRS fault. The whole part about a mixup on allotments is strange. The IRA bill got rid of manufacturer allocations/allotments.

If I'm guessing - the allotment issue is Ford forgot to send in their inventory list of eligible vehicles.

I would give them the silent treatment. The deal was finalized between you and the dealer. They just haven't finalized it with the IRS or Ford Corporate.

 

[jamelski]

If the IRS systems update and the vehicle qualifies, it should be able to be registered even after the 72-hour window. My dealer did my POS two weeks after I bought it. They simply entered the sale date as the current date and was within 72hr I received my $7,500 at tax time.

 

[Oafboy182]

The problem isn't with the dealers. It's with Ford not submitting the VINs in a timely manner when the vehicles are sent out to the dealers. But it does suck that the dealers are pushing so hard to sell the trucks without the tax credit and trying to push it onto the buyer. I wasn't going to buy the truck without the credit coming off because I wanted to lower my payment since I only did a 4yr loan. And I was currently driving a really nice BMW so a new truck wasn't needed at all. However my dealer was great. They were on the phone with the IRS trying to figure out why the VIN wasn't in the portal and spent many hours getting it resolved for me. In the end it was an issue with Ford having not submitting the VIN yet.

 

[chl]

If you don’t get the irs tax form submitted to irs you won’t get to claim it. You’ll have to eat the 7500 so you better make sure they fix it with the IRS or you won’t be able to claim it on your taxes. They probably put the car in over 80 K and why it’s being denied in the IRS system. If the truck is under 80k with options minus the stupid mandatory delivery you’re safe. I have a feeling they put in the stuff that put it over 80 K such as destination fee

The IRS has contingencies steps you can follow if your dealer/seller did not give you the form, as long as Ford sent them the VIN, I think you can argue the point with your sales documentation, vin number etc. if they deny it...I was prepared to if needed although I didn't have to...

My dealer did not give me the form, and I was not sure if they had claimed it or not.
They took $7500 off on my sales document but it was listed as a down payment, not a tax credit, and when I took delivery they were not sure how to do the tax credit thing they said...

So I was in the dark - called them numerous times to try to get an answer but the finance person was always out or on the other line.

Anyway, ultimately, before tax filing, I was able to confirm they DID claim it by accessing my IRS files (not an easy task with all the security checks by a third party company required, but doable).

About a week later, the IRS sent me a letter informing me that I had transferred the tax credit according to their records, but that their records were wrong to let them know - apparently EV tax credit fraud is a big deal now with all the EVs being sold.

Anyway, the dealer is SUPPOSED to report the sale to the IRS, but if they don't, then what?

The facts are:
1) it is a qualifying vehicle and Ford should have reported the VIN to the IRS which proves it,
2) you can prove you bought it (all the sales paperwork) and did not transfer the credit
3) you pass the income test, so
4) I'd argue a missing piece of paper from the dealer because they were negligent should not be held against you.

A good chance you'd prevail I'd guess.

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