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Battery Replacement Module Survey ??

This survey is to discover how many forum members had their HV battery require a module replacement.


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My Truck has been perfect for me so far until this weekend. Friday I took it in for the 16000km service (aka tire rotation), and the recalls. I picked up truck Friday afternoon and took it home. Parked over night, went to the store, and when I got home I plugged it in to charge and Truck charge lights went all red and wouldn't charge and service soon light came on dash. Took truck back in this am and dealer said light went off the only code was for 12v battery disconnected, and I should come pick it up. I arrive to pickup and as they are driving truck around for me , service soon light comes back on and they hook it up and now saying Truck needs a module replaced. I have a loaner lightning till it's repaired.
I've come to the conclusion we as owners need to start monitoring our batter state of health ourselves. I'm hoping this car scanner will do that for me. I just purchased a Launch X431 CRP919 EV car Scanner and will start monitoring my HV battery after I get my truck back.
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So I too went in for the laundry list of recalls last week, and sure enough this week I too got the orange wrench notifying me of a powertrain malfunction.

Hasn't stopped charging though (surprisingly), so I'm still able to drive around at reduced power (57%). From what I've read so far in this thread though, it seems like most lost the ability to charge.
The loss of power I never really noticed because I seldom accelerate hard. But received a service soon and next charge attempt failed all red segments. They found 3 of 9 bad battery modules.
 

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Thanks. I’ve told them to start the buyback process today. Guess I’ll see if that presents me any other options…
What I'd prefer to see with 3 of 9 modules bad after just 23k miles is a complete battery replacement instead of just module replacement. I'm sure those bad modules have caused damage to other modules in my battery pack which I'll be monitoring myself with the Launch X431 CRP919 EV car Scanner i just purchased once I get my truck back.
 

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I would say, without proof, that the earlier the build, the more battery modules are likely to fail.
See page 9 of this September, 2023 Customer Service Program 23B57 description where Ford expected "Less than 4% of the affected vehicle population is expected to require one or more high voltage battery modules needing to be replaced."
https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/attachments/23b57bull-pdf.72144/
I agree. Mine is a 2022 and with just 23k miles 3 of 9 modules have gone bad.
 
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I'm sure those bad modules have caused damage to other modules in my battery pack
Unlikely, Ford and it's supplier SK set a specification that individual cell groups should not deviate from, ideally this safety margin forces attention to the affected module(s) before anything catastrophic occurs.
 

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Unlikely, Ford and it's supplier SK set a specification that individual cell groups should not deviate from, ideally this safety margin forces attention to the affected module(s) before anything catastrophic occurs.
I would agree with you if the truck completely stopped drawing power but since I could still drive it those bad modules weren't handling their part of the load so the electric motors drew more power from the good modules. The system does reduce the amount of power going to the motors but very little if any of that power is coming from the bad modules. That's also why I had 3 bad modules. Those 3 modules most likely didn't fail at the same time. Most likely one module got weak which caused more draw on adjacent modules which in progression damaged the other modules. The same thing happens with my home solar batteries if one gets weak it puts more of a load on the other batteries in the string. I was an electrical technician for the FAA and repaired 450,000 watt UPS SYSTEMS. Each had 192 AGM individual cell batteries in series. If one of those batteries started to get weak we got a warning to replace the battery before it damaged adjacent batteries. Each of the 9 modules in our lightning has many individual cells that are configured in a series and/or parallel configuration. I don't know if those cells are being monitored or just the modules. I suspect each individual cell. Regardless 3 modules going bad is not the best monitoring system in my opinion the system should have warned after the first module started to loose it's cells capacity.
 
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Our modules are in series, all nine of them are passing the same current, that's why the safety protocol is to reduce demand power and in some instances limit charging.

Within the module, groups of cells are connected in parallel, then each grouping is connected series.
 

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Unlikely, Ford and it's supplier SK set a specification that individual cell groups should not deviate from, ideally this safety margin forces attention to the affected module(s) before anything catastrophic occurs.
With 3 of 9 modules bad before I got a charging error and service soon warning, I would say their monitoring system needs some improvements.
Even better would be better quality battery cells.
Our modules are in series, all nine of them are passing the same current, that's why the safety protocol is to reduce demand power and in some instances limit charging.

Within the module, groups of cells are connected in parallel, then each grouping is connected series.
This is my understanding of the numbers involved: for the ER, (5P96S) there are 9 modules (arrays?), 8 mods with 11 cell groups of 5 cell pouches in parallel, and 1 mod with 8 cell groups of 5 cell pouches. So 96 cell groups x 5 cell pouches each, would be 480 cell pouches. SR (4P90S) is 90 cell groups (9mod x 10cells x 4 pouches = 360 pouches). New mid range is 5P90S. The ER 96 cells in series x nominal 3.7Vdc (approx 3.2V to 4.2V range 0 to 100% charge) is 355Vdc nominal (or 307-403V range). SR & Mid range would be about 288-378Vdc, which acounts for lower horsepower available than the ER.
 

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With 3 of 9 modules bad before I got a charging error and service soon warning, I would say their monitoring system needs some improvements.
Even better would be better quality battery cells.

This is my understanding of the numbers involved: for the ER, (5P96S) there are 9 modules (arrays?), 8 mods with 11 cell groups of 5 cell pouches in parallel, and 1 mod with 8 cell groups of 5 cell pouches. So 96 cell groups x 5 cell pouches each, would be 480 cell pouches. SR (4P90S) is 90 cell groups (9mod x 10cells x 4 pouches = 360 pouches). New mid range is 5P90S. The ER 96 cells in series x nominal 3.7Vdc (approx 3.2V to 4.2V range 0 to 100% charge) is 355Vdc nominal (or 307-403V range). SR & Mid range would be about 288-378Vdc, which acounts for lower horsepower available than the ER. Modules aren't connected in series. They are parallel connect which increases the current. Series connected increases voltage. That's basic electricity.
There's no way all 3 of my modules died at the same time. I'll know more after I connect my Launch X431 CRP919 EV car Scanner.
 
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I'll know more after I connect my Launch X431 CRP919 EV car Scanner.
I await with bated breath your results, BTW, running this conversation amongst 3 or so threads is irritating,
 

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