F150 lighting fast charge while away from home

[Luigi115]

I just leased a 2024 Ford F150 and I am very happy with it. I have a Charge Pro Charger at home that charges at 48amps with 220v. I know that the internal charger of the vehicle has a max 48 kw charging rate but it would have been a nice feature to enable the standard range F150 to take advantage of faster chargers while on the road. Any comments?

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[B177y]

I just leased a 2024 Ford F150 and I am very happy with it. I have a Charge Pro Charger at home that charges at 48amps with 220v. I know that the internal charger of the vehicle has a max 48 kw charging rate but it would have been a nice feature to enable the standard range F150 to take advantage of faster chargers while on the road. Any comments?

You can still DCFC while away from home at up to ~180kw. I am not understanding your concern.

 

[MountainAlive]

There are two separate charging capabilities of the truck (and most EVs). There’s AC charging (max 48 amps for newer Lightnings, 80 amps for 2022/23) and DC charging (up to 500 amps for all years of the Lightning). AC charging is done at home and DC charging usually only happens at a fast charger/super charger.

 

[Luigi115]

You can still DCFC while away from home at up to ~180kw. I am not understanding your concern.

Well... what is understood from the documentation is that the vehicle internal charger max out at 48 kw. You can connect to fast chargers but it will futile as the internal charger is the limiting factor. Pls correct me if I am wrongly interpreting the documentation.

 

[Firn]

Well... what is understood from the documentation is that the vehicle internal charger max out at 48 kw. You can connect to fast chargers but it will futile as the internal charger is the limiting factor. Pls correct me if I am wrongly interpreting the documentation.

Level two AC charging maxes out around 48 AMPS, or about 11 kw.

DC Fast Charging is different and maxes out around 190 kw.

 

[P-38]

The on board inverter is 48amps for 2024 (not kW, it works out to about 11.5kW). This is AC charging. The inverter converts the incoming AC to DC to charge the battery. Your charge station Is level 2 charging. So is the mobile power cord when it has the 240VAC l connector installed. The mobile power cord is level 1 when it has the 120VAC plug on it.

DC fast charging uses different pins (the two under the flap of your charge port). This bypasses the on board inverter and charges at up to 500 amps which works out to about 180kW when conditions are right. This is level 3 charging.

Google state of charge, he's got a website and YouTube channel. He has some videos about the lightning in particular and cool charging graphs for level 3. He is also on this forum but I don't recall his screen name here.

 

[RickLightning]

Well... what is understood from the documentation is that the vehicle internal charger max out at 48 kw. You can connect to fast chargers but it will futile as the internal charger is the limiting factor. Pls correct me if I am wrongly interpreting the documentation.

You are wrongly interpreting the documentation.

You have a Ford Charge Station Pro EVSE also.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Your onboard charger can only process 48 amps, doesn't matter the location or capacity of the level 2 EVSE.

Want faster charging on a road trip? use a DCFC, that is why we have DCFC's

 

[Luigi115]

The on board inverter is 48amps for 2024 (not kW, it works out to about 11.5kW). This is AC charging. The inverter converts the incoming AC to DC to charge the battery. Your charge station Is level 2 charging. So is the mobile power cord when it has the 240VAC l connector installed. The mobile power cord is level 1 when it has the 120VAC plug on it.

DC fast charging uses different pins (the two under the flap of your charge port). This bypasses the on board inverter and charges at up to 500 amps which works out to about 180kW when conditions are right. This is level 3 charging.

Google state of charge, he's got a website and YouTube channel. He has some videos about the lightning in particular and cool charging graphs for level 3. He is also on this forum but I don't recall his screen name here.

That's a very good explanation. Thx!

 

[hturnerfamily]

don't confuse 'at=home' 'slow' charging with 'travel' 'fast' charging, as they are two totally separate and independent methods of recharging the battery pack...

at-home charging is typically your home's 240v power, fed thru the trucks' internal CONVERTER, that takes a/c power and transforms it into DC power... it, yes, has a limiting factor, such as 48 amps, although 30amps is the 'typical', such as with the Ford Mobile EVSE, and most 'at-home' EVSE units, which uses your a/c charging pins in the charge port, via the J1772 plug.

travel charging, called DC Fast Charging, a shortened term that entails power going DIRECTLY to the battery pack, and bypassing any of the truck's internal Converter limitations - DC charging also uses the two DC pins that are part of the charge port, known as 'CCS' charging, with a larger CCS plug that incorporates both the a/c and d/c parts of the charge port.



now, if you want to talk more about the subjective term "Fast Charging", most of us experienced EV owners, and LIGHTNING owners, will attest that all 'Fast Chargers' are, well, not really 'fast', such as slow as 35kw to 50kw, but they DO use the DC direct method...

most of us prefer the 'true' fast chargers, such as the 150kw and 350kw options at Electrify America units, 150kw+ at Tesla Superchargers, and now some additional options, such as 'Tsunami' 350kw at EVgo units, and even CHARGEPOINT units that are 'shared' and can give up to 120kw+, at times... others like GM/EVgo partnering at FlyingJ/Pilot stations which may be up to 350kw, etc... and more options in the works nation wide, such as WALMART's recent announcement... which is fantastic: Plug in, shop, done. : )

 

[sysop1]

don't confuse 'at=home' 'slow' charging with 'travel' 'fast' charging, as they are two totally separate and independent methods of recharging the battery pack...

at-home charging is typically your home's 240v power, fed thru the trucks' internal CONVERTER, that takes a/c power and transforms it into DC power... it, yes, has a limiting factor, such as 48 amps, although 30amps is the 'typical', such as with the Ford Mobile EVSE, and most 'at-home' EVSE units, which uses your a/c charging pins in the charge port, via the J1772 plug.

travel charging, called DC Fast Charging, a shortened term that entails power going DIRECTLY to the battery pack, and bypassing any of the truck's internal Converter limitations - DC charging also uses the two DC pins that are part of the charge port, known as 'CCS' charging, with a larger CCS plug that incorporates both the a/c and d/c parts of the charge port.



now, if you want to talk more about the subjective term "Fast Charging", most of us experienced EV owners, and LIGHTNING owners, will attest that all 'Fast Chargers' are, well, not really 'fast', such as slow as 35kw to 50kw, but they DO use the DC direct method...

most of us prefer the 'true' fast chargers, such as the 150kw and 350kw options at Electrify America units, 150kw+ at Tesla Superchargers, and now some additional options, such as 'Tsunami' 350kw at EVgo units, and even CHARGEPOINT units that are 'shared' and can give up to 120kw+, at times... others like GM/EVgo partnering at FlyingJ/Pilot stations which may be up to 350kw, etc... and more options in the works nation wide, such as WALMART's recent announcement... which is fantastic: Plug in, shop, done. : )

Interesting use of capitalization or lack of.

 

[Adventureboy]

If you want to open your options to include the Tesla V3 and V4 Superchargers for DC Fast Charging, you will need an adapter. Ford now sells the Lectron adapter but you might get it faster by ordering one from Lectron directly. A2Z is another good alternative. Both of these units have UL/CSA certification in progress.
I charged on a Tesla V3 charger on the weekend and stayed above 180kw from 40-60% (that's all I needed to get home.)

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