New 500A charging on standard range lightning

[Ryanhu1234]

I had my truck in for service for the 12v battery. Part of the work that was done was to do all updates that were available according to them. Now I am on a road trip and getting faster charging speeds than I have ever had. Max speed that I saw was 173.2kwh with an average speed of 130 kwh 25-80 charge.

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[Peddyr]

What type of charger were you using? I've hit a rate in the 160's using a Tesla station with my adapter.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Several members have report improved KW rates over the last few months, glad your service got your updates caught up.

 

[Runaway Tractor]

Mine peaks at 160kWh. Tbh adding 10kWh is not a meaningful or exciting update. It will make zero noticable difference while parked at a charging station.

We all knew when we bought our trucks that they were on the slow end of DCFC compared to other vehicles that can do 250-300kWh. There is no software update that will change this.

 

[Laphuks]

I got 182kwh on tesla

 

[Ventorum94]

Mine peaks at 160kWh. Tbh adding 10kWh is not a meaningful or exciting update. It will make zero noticable difference while parked at a charging station.

We all knew when we bought our trucks that they were on the slow end of DCFC compared to other vehicles that can do 250-300kWh. There is no software update that will change this.

Charge rates are in kW, not kWh. The units of electricity added to the battery (and purchased on your credit card) are kWh.

 

[carys98]

Mine peaks at 160kWh. Tbh adding 10kWh is not a meaningful or exciting update. It will make zero noticable difference while parked at a charging station.

We all knew when we bought our trucks that they were on the slow end of DCFC compared to other vehicles that can do 250-300kWh. There is no software update that will change this.

It doesn’t just increase the peak to 500A it also raises the curve by holding a higher current for longer. The result is about a 5 minute reduction in the 10%-80% charge time or about 10%. I would consider 10% to be meaningful. @tommolog has a great summary in this video.

 

[swajames]

Mine peaks at 160kWh. Tbh adding 10kWh is not a meaningful or exciting update. It will make zero noticable difference while parked at a charging station.

We all knew when we bought our trucks that they were on the slow end of DCFC compared to other vehicles that can do 250-300kWh. There is no software update that will change this.

it looks like you don’t really understand how all this works. Higher peak charging rates are all well and good, but what matters at least as much is how long those peak rates are maintained. Some EVs with higher peaks fall off the cliff well before the Lightning does. You also can’t compare % to % charge times without factoring in battery size and how many kWh are onboarded to facilitate that % to % charge. The Lightning’s strength is its charge curve, it will hold well over 100kW up to 80% and the updates to allow higher peak rates (I have seen 192) and improving the curve by allowing higher rates for longer period make a difference. My most recent 500 trip required three short 20 min stops, all at Tesla, and all at places I’d have stopped for 20 anyway.

 

[Pioneer74]

I got 182kwh on tesla

I wish the last update would have included that instead of the useless WAL.

 

[Runaway Tractor]

it looks like you don’t really understand how all this works.

It looks like you are commenting about things I never said to make yourself feel special? I'm aware of all these things, thanks.

 

[chl]

It looks like you are commenting about things I never said to make yourself feel special? I'm aware of all these things, thanks.

Both of you are 'right.'

The software can improve the DC charge rate by adjusting the 'curve' as swajames said BUT only so much, that is not beyond the physical characteristics of the truck, like the max current capacity of the wiring (apparently 500A is ok) and max battery voltage (400V).

The State of Charge video explains that Ford changed the curve with an OTA update 23B50 that increased the initial current for DC charging to 500A (for that first 8 minutes of charging) or as shown in the video 180kW at about 360V (the charger set voltage in the video).

Well below the 250kW-300kW Runaway Tractor mentioned.

 

[swajames]

It looks like you are commenting about things I never said to make yourself feel special? I'm aware of all these things, thanks.

Again, peak charge rate is essentially meaningless without the context of how long those peak charge rates can be maintained. You have to look at everything in the aggregate. The Lightning does rather better than you imply.

 

[Firn]

It looks like you are commenting about things I never said to make yourself feel special? I'm aware of all these things, thanks.

Neither the terms you used nor the logic applied supported that so claiming it's the other person who is wrong is an interesting choice.

A 10% reduction in charge time is hardly insignificant.

 

[Runaway Tractor]

If you want to be excited over the small change, you're welcome to be exited over it. Also, I am no excited about it. This does not mean I don't know what I'm talking about, or that I'm confused, or that you are correctly reading my mind. It just means it will take more than a few minutes to make me excited about it. And that I have reasonable expectations.

Or you can just make this whole thread about how smart you allegedly are. Whatever.

 

[tnugentfl]

Mine peaks at 160kWh. Tbh adding 10kWh is not a meaningful or exciting update. It will make zero noticable difference while parked at a charging station.

We all knew when we bought our trucks that they were on the slow end of DCFC compared to other vehicles that can do 250-300kWh. There is no software update that will change this.

State of Charge analyzed this. Saves 5 minutes 10 to 80%. That is meaningful, because the whole curve is improved.

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