Power outlet are timing off after 6 minutes!

[The Weatherman]

Place your bets on the over under date when this gets resolved.

I'll start the bidding at ... November 2025

I’ll see you that and raise to: Sooon after BC 1.4 rolls out to 2022 MY.

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[Whammy Bar]

I’ll see you that and raise to: Sooon after BC 1.4 rolls out to 2022 MY.

No way... You'll get Bluecruise before you get the Amateur Power update.

 

[Karlo]

No way... You'll get Bluecruise before you get the Amateur Power update.

You guys are cracking me up!!!

 

[topher10]

I have a 2024 Flash (Dec purchase), and this thread inspired me to experiment. I tested 3 items (see below). For all tests, i got in truck and shut the door, started the truck, turned on pro power to rear outlets, ensured pro power was set to stay on with the truck off, turned off the truck, got out, made sure the item was on, and set a 10 min timer as I went back inside. The exact time I went back out to check depended on commercials. Here are results:

1. Small hanging LED light, like you would use to work on something in the dark, or perhaps to light a camping area. Off at 10 mins

2. Cheap box fan, as you would run to move air in the garage while working. Off at 10 mins

3. Portable blower for dog grooming, set on low air but high heat. Still on at 10 mins, and I waited another 8 mins and was still on. Clicked the bed off button and went off, clicked the bed on and it came back on.

4. After #3, I plugged the LED light back in while the blower was running and it worked, turned off and unplugged the blower. 8 mins later the light was off, and clicking the bed on/off button didn’t do anything.

My conclusion is that the bed outlets do not necessarily stay on when the truck is tuned off, even when set to stay on in the UI. For it to stay on, there must be a consistent load that is higher than a LED light or a box fan. The time to turn off is less than 10 mins, consistent with the OPs estimate of 6 mins.

This is not the behavior that I expected, and would be problematic in some settings.

 

[Karlo]

I have a 2024 Flash (Dec purchase), and this thread inspired me to experiment. I tested 3 items (see below). For all tests, i got in truck and shut the door, started the truck, turned on pro power to rear outlets, ensured pro power was set to stay on with the truck off, turned off the truck, got out, made sure the item was on, and set a 10 min timer as I went back inside. The exact time I went back out to check depended on commercials. Here are results:

1. Small hanging LED light, like you would use to work on something in the dark, or perhaps to light a camping area. Off at 10 mins

2. Cheap box fan, as you would run to move air in the garage while working. Off at 10 mins

3. Portable blower for dog grooming, set on low air but high heat. Still on at 10 mins, and I waited another 8 mins and was still on. Clicked the bed off button and went off, clicked the bed on and it came back on.

4. After #3, I plugged the LED light back in while the blower was running and it worked, turned off and unplugged the blower. 8 mins later the light was off, and clicking the bed on/off button didn’t do anything.

My conclusion is that the bed outlets do not necessarily stay on when the truck is tuned off, even when set to stay on in the UI. For it to stay on, there must be a consistent load that is higher than a LED light or a box fan. The time to turn off is less than 10 mins, consistent with the OPs estimate of 6 mins.

This is not the behavior that I expected, and would be problematic in some settings.

Excellent experiment. So now we must figure out what that minimum draw is. I still believe that it should not shut off under any normal circumstances. Thanks topher

 

[bmwhitetx]

I thought someone had determined 90 Watts was the limit to stay on.

If you leave the truck on and go to PPROB app, won't it show "<90 Watts" when it is a low wattage device? Then above 90, give you the amount? Maybe check that screen before turning off. I agree it should stay on though. If you have a cooler, it will cycle on and off for instance.

I use this device to measure devices on outlet power: https://www.amazon.com/P3-P4400-Electricity-Usage-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU

 

[msdickerson]

Even though all my settings are CORRECT , my plug in outlets all power off after about 6 minutes when i shut off the truck. The lightning flash screen has a toggle that says the power will stay on after the truck is turned off and will reset when i turn the truck on again. The only way I can keep the outlets hot is to turn the accessory on(pressing the on button without touching the brake pedal) but then I have to manually turn everything off that I don’t want (Radio, heat etc). I’ve set an appt at the dealer. Anyone have this issue and solved it. I tried disconnecting the 12v battery as well as doing a complete reset. HELP

My 2024 Flash also times out with the leave propower on switch on. I have read that this is an issue Ford has not really fixed. So I am going with leaving the truck on, after shutting off the climate, lights, radio and then locking it and taking the FOB with me. I understand its totally safe as the truck wont operate with the FOB I think. So the only extra thing that eats some power would be the screen being on. i run a 80qt dual zone car refrigerator using the pro power. Hope that helps.

 

[Karlo]

My 2024 Flash also times out with the leave propower on switch on. I have read that this is an issue Ford has not really fixed. So I am going with leaving the truck on, after shutting off the climate, lights, radio and then locking it and taking the FOB with me. I understand its totally safe as the truck wont operate with the FOB I think. So the only extra thing that eats some power would be the screen being on. i run a 80qt dual zone car refrigerator using the pro power. Hope that helps.

Yah, that’s what I’m doing as well. Hopefully someone at Ford monitors these sites and takes heed with our issues.

 

[Whammy Bar]

Yah, that’s what I’m doing as well. Hopefully someone at Ford monitors these sites and takes heed with our issues.

You get BC 1.4 yet?

 

[Karlo]

Earlier in the post they’re takin bet on when this will get addressed. Somewhere around a year

 

[TaxmanHog]

For all you 2024+ owners, make sure to file a Sync Feedback report about this issue, focus your message on fact that low/nil power evaluation should be adjusted to a lower tolerance or as measured over a wider period of time to determine an average load requirement that's intermittent.

All that said ................... it might be a while before the logic is adjusted.

 

[Firn]

This isn't a bug, it's by design. This is the same way Pro Power has operated since the beginning. The same discussions were being had on the 22s and 23s.

There is a minimum draw. For the 24s it makes even more sense, you don't want the 400v architecture energized outside the pack of you don't need it. For the earlier trucks you had to leave the truck on so it was energized anyways.

 

[TaxmanHog]

This isn't a bug, it's by design. This is the same way Pro Power has operated since the beginning. The same discussions were being had on the 22s and 23s.

There is a minimum draw. For the 24s it makes even more sense, you don't want the 400v architecture energized outside the pack of you don't need it. For the earlier trucks you had to leave the truck on so it was energized anyways.

The intent of the 24+ trucks to be able to energize PPOB while {NOT ON} was the mission, the 400v system is still active, but all other drive functions and cabin system are dark.

Kind of useless for users with minimal load applications, lets be real if I want to leave my truck on for low power loads it's my decision, adjust the tolerance if it can be done, if it's hard coded in the PPOB firmware, then we can only increase the load to ensure continued service.

 

[Firn]

The intent of the 24+ trucks to be able to energize PPOB while {NOT ON} was the mission, the 400v system is still active, but all other drive functions and cabin system are dark.

Kind of useless for users with minimal load applications, lets be real if I want to leave my truck on for low power loads it's my decision, adjust the tolerance if it can be done, if it's hard coded in the PPOB firmware, then we can only increase the load to ensure continued service.

But it CAN power devices while the truck is "off", achieving the goal. It can run a camper, or tailgate event, or your house.

But as far as minimum load goes, the justification they used for powering off the system under low draw didnt change. If anything there is MORE justification for turning it off, not less. Previously the owner deliberately had to leave the HV architecture energized by leaving the truck on, now they can shut that down if PPOB isnt needed.

I get the argument and the frustration, don't get me wrong. But they made some decision to power down PPOB when under some load level, that reason hasn't really changed just because the screens and HVAC are now off.

 

[TaxmanHog]

I get the argument and the frustration, don't get me wrong. But they made some decision to power down PPOB when under some load level, that reason hasn't really changed just because the screens and HVAC are now off.

Well, someone needs to survey these folks with light load requirements and adjust to expectations, across the board, aren't well intelligent enough to shut down the truck or take it out of passive energy mode (24+) when we absolutely DO NOT need the PPOB availability.

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