Will You be upgrading to the Lightning EREV?

[mgmessner89]

No. Range has never been a concern with mine and I go some distances. I have a SR and a 20 minute stop at an EA charger while I grab a coffee is okay with me

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[ryun]

If a range extender helps people make the switch to BEVs long term I think it's absolutely the right decision. Let 'em get used to running on the battery only and see how much they can save.

Personally, I have no use for a generator on the truck. Just another thing to fail. Fast chargers are pretty common in my area. Lightning is near perfect for me. Maybe a little too big but that's about all I can complain about. I'll be keeping it until the wheels fall off.

 

[Joe.....Montana]

Love the Lightning and have no interest in going back to gas...don't consider an EREV an upgrade...Our other vehicle is a hybrid and I want to go full electric as soon as possible...the major challenge is 400 mile road trip, dead of winter, in temps below 0 (sometimes the "high" can be -5), and all interstate driving. I have floated with the Mrs. we go electric and rent for the long winter road trips...she hasn't bitten...yet...definitely have my concerns with Ford and any maintenance I may need outside of tire rotations and fluid top offs.

 

[flabrent]

I don't see this as a winner. IMO, I see added single points of failure.

 

[maxmxa]

If they can manage to place the onboard generator under the rear bed of the truck and not consume the frunk AND they allow drivers to turn off the onboard generator when not needed then in my opinion it’s at least worth a look. Scout motors placed their generator underneath the rear, so we know it’s at least possible.

Scout motors hasn't really placed anything in the rear yet. It's all vaporware to this point until they actually have a real motor to place it somewhere. The cooling would be a maintenance issue over time as well since the radiator will be up front with long cooling lines going back (reminds me of VW Vanagon). In this case, the engine would not need to run all the time since Ford says 90% of the power would be provided by the battery. I'd think the engine would kick in at certain battery level to maintain a min. charge level set through software settings. I think Ford should have invested in newer battery tech instead of throwing in the towel and planning to build a smaller hybrid version of F150. With the newer battery technology, they could extend the range another 100 miles and improve charge times, but it seems Ford is really after more profits not after what the consumer needs or wants. The EVs don't require much maintenance, so it's not profitable to the dealers and Ford.

 

[hturnerfamily]

No. Range has never been a concern with mine and I go some distances. I have a SR and a 20 minute stop at an EA charger while I grab a coffee is okay with me

agreed...

we have towed our 3,800lb camper over 20,000 miles over the last three years with not a single issue...and it's a breath of fresh air when you can stop, or park, anywhere you wish, and have FULL 120v or 240v Power to your camper anytime you wish, or, like us, ALL THE TIME...even while in motion.

EVs owners don't want an engine, only NON-EV owners 'might'... or, so they think.

 

[hturnerfamily]

Love the Lightning and have no interest in going back to gas...don't consider an EREV an upgrade...Our other vehicle is a hybrid and I want to go full electric as soon as possible...the major challenge is 400 mile road trip, dead of winter, in temps below 0 (sometimes the "high" can be -5), and all interstate driving. I have floated with the Mrs. we go electric and rent for the long winter road trips...she hasn't bitten...yet...definitely have my concerns with Ford and any maintenance I may need outside of tire rotations and fluid top offs.

yes, and there will always be a 'what if...' case for more range, or, the truth is, for ANY type of vehicle, gas or ev or not... people don't fret or come onto these forums to complain that their F250 Diesel can't tow their trailer 'all the way' without having to stop and fuel up... but, they are used to it, and just figure it's the way things are. The same is for EVs... we have now a great charging infrastructure that allows us to go anywhere we wish... if we have the planning, and the patience. It's a mindset. Some have it, some will never want it.

 

[chriserx]

I have a tendency to own my vehicles for a significant amount of time, I mean maybe eventually, but not particularly likely. I didn't intend to buy it for another year but the expiration of the tax credit accelerated my decision. The only vehicle I owned for less than 8 years was a Jetta Sportwagen TDI, at 4 years, and the only reason was that VW bought it back from me for more than I paid, was actually a pretty great car, second only to my Honda CRX which when I sold it to a friend for $500 showed 350,000 miles. It likely had 500,000 due to a broken speedometer cable, not a fault of the car, but my youthful desire to have a fancy gauge cluster...

My decision came down to low maintenance, tax credit timing, 0% financing, in that order.

 

[Ned B]

Literally at Chevy dealer right now. Thinking of trading in my 23 lightning lariat (which I love) for a Silverado ev. Not sure on fence still. Will take heavy loss on trade in. However I am Very concerned about support. Based on what I’ve read here some dealerships refused to or couldn’t service these trucks when they were in production. I have no faith ford will do the right thing for its customers.

I'm concerned about the same thing. I'm actually in shopping mode now as my Volt isn't getting any younger, and Also has the orphaned platform issue.

 

[Joe.....Montana]

yes, and there will always be a 'what if...' case for more range, or, the truth is, for ANY type of vehicle, gas or ev or not... people don't fret or come onto these forums to complain that their F250 Diesel can't tow their trailer 'all the way' without having to stop and fuel up... but, they are used to it, and just figure it's the way things are. The same is for EVs... we have now a great charging infrastructure that allows us to go anywhere we wish... if we have the planning, and the patience. It's a mindset. Some have it, some will never want it.

Yes and no...there is a 140 mile stretch along I-90 I travel with zero chargers...it's not uncommon to experience -10 degree temps with 40 mph cross winds and interstate getting shutdown for hours...no mindset is going to negate such harsh factors...they even catch ICE drivers off guard who occasionally get stranded.

 

[RLXXI]

HELL NO!!

 

[Sealevel]

I voted Other because the Lightning doesn't fill my needs going forward. I've had it for nearly 3 years (after an MMe for a year) and have enjoyed the overall experience. Now that I've retired and don't commute 30 miles / day, I will not get the same utility from it. I experienced a battery module failure that limited my longer distance trips where I used Level 3 fast charging, but Ford fixed it under warranty. Going forward, I won't need to haul much in a bed and my wife (and I) have more difficulty getting in and out of the cab. I'll likely move to a hyrbrid or PHEV mid-sized SUV.

A key question about the EREV is where it will fall on the spectrum of efficiency - I expect it will be between the BEV (best) and the PHEV (2nd best) with the hybrids being 3rd best and ICE being the least efficient for converting energy to motion.

I wish all of you sticking with the Lightning line up the best.

 

[Lightningwaiter]

If they can manage to place the onboard generator under the rear bed of the truck and not consume the frunk AND they allow drivers to turn off the onboard generator when not needed then in my opinion it’s at least worth a look. Scout motors placed their generator underneath the rear, so we know it’s at least possible.

Same reason I am not looking at a scout. I do not want gas. For maintenance and an extra unnecessary power plant. I would have loved a scout my parents owned the 70’s truck and when they said it was a erev I knew it was not for me.

 

[RickLightning]

Yes and no...there is a 140 mile stretch along I-90 I travel with zero chargers...it's not uncommon to experience -10 degree temps with 40 mph cross winds and interstate getting shutdown for hours...no mindset is going to negate such harsh factors...they even catch ICE drivers off guard who occasionally get stranded.

It comes down to situational awareness. In Jan we drove through North Dakota into Montana. One stretch is tight, before you added the headwind during the very cold temps. So, you SLOW THE HELL DOWN. We drove 55 for a half hour, then sped up to 60, then a bit higher - I think I eventually got to 68 or so. One stretch, minor issue, no big deal. BUT - you have to have situational awareness.

 

[Timeless Epoch]

A key question about the EREV is where it will fall on the spectrum of efficiency - I expect it will be between the BEV (best) and the PHEV (2nd best) with the hybrids being 3rd best and ICE being the least efficient for converting energy to motion.

In BEV mode, probably. Once the battery is depleted, maybe equal to ICE, probably worse. One, its an inefficient path to move energy (chemical>mechanical>electrical>rectify AC to DC>convert DC to multiphase AC>electrical back to mechanical). Two, one would imagine that the genset would use its spare capacity to charge the HVB.

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