80amp charger questions

[DeePagne]

The way I read it, he bought a new truck, albeit a 23 model in 2024.

It’s used. But I’m going to return it to Carvana. Bunch of things wrong with it.

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[bmwhitetx]

The way I read it, he bought a new truck, albeit a 23 model in 2024.

Carvana
https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...r-ppi-today-modules-need-updates.27954/unread

 

[VAL.ABAPO]

i just got my Ford Wall Charger Pro installed yesterday.

its on 60amp breaker(circuit?) and its set at 48A(as labeled by the electrician who installed it)
when i initially opened the app, Charge current was initially set at 6A, i thought this was wrong so i set it at 48A. did i set it right? i tried setting to 60A (to match the breaker) but i get a "Charge Station derate failed".

 

[Monkey]

I have a ‘23 ER Lightning. I am really interested in a 80 amp charger. I often ge my home at midnight or 1am and sometimes leave at 6-7am. And sometimes tow on those quick turnarounds.
Does Tesla make an 80amp charger? Or is the Ford charger the only one? Does the app let you choose to charge between 48a and 80a?

The Ford Charge Station Pro of course does 80A output and it's an OK charger, but has some quirks. I actually have one new in box I'm looking to sell, but I'm going to tell you that you should actually look at other options. The only time I recommend the Ford Charge Station Pro is if you plan to also buy the additional transfer switch and cabinet hardware to use the home power backup.

Tesla does make 80A chargers, but they are the older 1st and 2nd generation wall chargers. They still sell the 2nd generation wall charger through their commercial sales division as they're still supported for destination charger units. Their current 3rd generation wall charger is a bit more advanced and has wifi connectivity, but is limited to 48A output. Also, you will be needing a Tesla to J1772 adapter for the charger. Which is fine, but get a good one that is properly rated for the full 80A. I recommend the A2Z Stellar. They may offer the 2nd gen with a J1772 connector, as they briefly did for a while. Now it seems they only offer the J1772 connector on the 3rd generation, which doesn't really help here.

A couple other EVSE makers out there have 80A options. The one I would recommend is the Grizzl-E Ultimate 80A - https://grizzl-e.com/products/grizzl-e-ultimate/ It's a solid unit.

 

[potato]

Does Tesla make an 80amp charger?

Tesla's High Power Wall Connector (HPWC) no longer does 80 amps. If you can find an old Gen 2 model, yes those do, but the Gen 3 HPWC is only 48 amps.

 

[Maquis]

The only time I recommend the Ford Charge Station Pro is if you plan to also buy the additional transfer switch and cabinet hardware to use the home power backup.

What do you base that on? I think just about everyone on this forum who bought that system wants their money back.

 

[TaxmanHog]

i just got my Ford Wall Charger Pro installed yesterday.

its on 60amp breaker(circuit?) and its set at 48A(as labeled by the electrician who installed it)
when i initially opened the app, Charge current was initially set at 6A, i thought this was wrong so i set it at 48A. did i set it right? i tried setting to 60A (to match the breaker) but i get a "Charge Station derate failed".

Set at 48 amps for continuous duty, that's the maximum for a 60 amp wire/breaker install.

Take note, that your installer probably set the rotary switch to the 48 amp setting inside the FCSP case, never change that to more than 48 amp value!

 

[Madtroniks]

A2Z EV has the NACS to J-1772 adapter rated at 80 amps with built in lock on flash sale for $71.25 shipped and comes with a 12 month warranty. You can use this with the 80 amp Tesla High Powered wall connector or the regular Tesla home charger to charge your lightning.

A2Z EV has a sale going on right now for NACS to CCS1 adapters ($170 to $127.50) / A2Z EV Stellar NACS to J-1772 AC Level 2 Adapter ($95 to $72) after discount code to save 25% off and get free shipping.

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New orders: Current estimate for A2Z is shipping will take 2 weeks for the new Typhoon Pro adapter. Still in time for travel plans in June.

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[Madtroniks]

Grizzl- E 80 Amp is also available for a little bit lower at 749.99 on sale instead of $1,169 with Autel

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Another option is to buy the Autel AC PRO Business 19.2 kW / 80 amp EV charger and stack the 10% off "SAVE10" code on top.

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This way you can charge using your native J-1772 port and don't have to worry about adapters.

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[KingStraasha]

I have a '23 ER Lariat and have been using the FCSP on a 100A circuit charging at 80A for over two years. Not one problem. I don't understand why some folks who have a 100A circuit still reduce the charge rate. It doesn't hurt the truck.

 

[K6CCC]

I have a 24 Flash so 48 amps max for me. I have a FCSP, but if I had known better, I would have gotten something else. The FCSP is massive overkill for me - I never expect to install the inverter system to feed my house, and I can't use the 80 amps. I wired and breakered it for 48 amp charging (6 AWG wire and 60 amp breaker), and have the inside rotary switch set to 48 amps max.

Having something 48 amp max and J1772 only would be nice as the cable and connector would be much lighter and easier to handle. But the FCSP works fine for me even if it is overkill...

Based on what I know now, I would likely gone with the Tesla because I can see my future of having an additional EV (likely NACS by then) and being able to have two chargers that coordinate with each other is pretty cool. I have the A2Z Stella adapter (as well as a Typhoon Pro for SuperChargers). At least it would give me a regular use of the Stella - which I have never used...

 

[Monkey]

What do you base that on? I think just about everyone on this forum who bought that system wants their money back.

Yeah, you're right about that. I was just saying that the home backup system, assuming it can even be made to work, would be the only reason I would recommend getting the Ford Charge Station Pro. It's really not a great charger and it's problematic when you want to charge vehicles without a CCS port. Especially PHEV with J1772.

 

[lex]

Honestly I question the need for 80A charging. Take a look at the Ford published figures for charging from 15-100% below. Unless you have an ER battery, there is no difference in charge time from 48 to 80A...and even with the ER battery, the charge times shown are worst case.

My tl;dr take is that 95% of all people should be perfectly fine with a 48A charger for overnight home charging.

1) You are (or rather SHOULD) not be charging to 100% but for the few long distance trips you need to take per year. Otherwise, you are likely charging to 80% on any given day

2) Given charging is fast up to 80% then slows to a crawl from 80-100%, the charge times below are reduced considerably.

3) Given most don't allow their vehicle to get down to 15% but likely closer to having 30% be the starting point, that shrinks the time further.

I have the CSP connected to a 60A circuit, so 48A charge capabilities...and I see ~8% charge added per hour. Meaning that you only need a little over 6 hours to charge to 80% from 30%...which is typically more than doable via overnight charging.

Here are some of my experiences:

Start / End charge - Time to complete
19% / 51% - 4:02 hrs (actual time...ended charge early)
32% / 80% - 6:36 hrs
20% / 80% - 7:37 hrs
31% / 100% - 9:19 hrs

 

[21st Century Truck]

Honestly I question the need for 80A charging. Take a look at the Ford published figures for charging from 15-100% below. Unless you have an ER battery, there is no difference in charge time from 48 to 80A...and even with the ER battery, the charge times shown are worst case.

My tl;dr take is that 95% of all people should be perfectly fine with a 48A charger for overnight home charging.

1) You are (or rather SHOULD) not be charging to 100% but for the few long distance trips you need to take per year. Otherwise, you are likely charging to 80% on any given day

2) Given charging is fast up to 80% then slows to a crawl from 80-100%, the charge times below are reduced considerably.

3) Given most don't allow their vehicle to get down to 15% but likely closer to having 30% be the starting point, that shrinks the time further.

I have the CSP connected to a 60A circuit, so 48A charge capabilities...and I see ~8% charge added per hour. Meaning that you only need a little over 6 hours to charge to 80% from 30%...which is typically more than doable via overnight charging.

Here are some of my experiences:

Start / End charge - Time to complete
19% / 51% - 4:02 hrs (actual time...ended charge early)
32% / 80% - 6:36 hrs
20% / 80% - 7:37 hrs
31% / 100% - 9:19 hrs

80 amp charging at home works for me

I often get home around 11 p.m. My EV time-of-use low rate ends at 6 a.m.

I often use 70% - 90% of my charge in the day.

I went back to Ford and got the free 80 amp unit because my old Grizzl-E unit could not keep up between my late night arrivals and 6 a.m.

I do drive quite a bit during the working day.

 

[WileyKyle]

I would definitely not go with the FCSP. There is no adapter that will allow the FCSP to charge a NACS vehicle. All EV manufacturers are switching to NACS so if you want to future proof your setup, I'd go with the Grizzl-E.

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