Braking indication

[Ted23Lightning]

That's not what's being debated here. I think we all agree and understand that's how it works. What is being discussed is the possibility of adding an onscreen indicator so people who don't nerd out on internet forums are better educated on when the brake lights activate while in 1pd. Or at least that was my take on this thread.

So I like to nerd out, I’m sorry, I thought this was America! lol jk.

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[Zprime29]

So I like to nerd out, I’m sorry, I thought this was America! lol jk.

There is a point at which one might get overwhelmed, but yeah. I get it.

 

[Altivec]

Not sure why people get their panties in a knot when they don't share the same view point. I think a brake light indicator should be mandatory for any vehicle with 1PD. As others said, most people are not in forums every day understanding every detail of their truck. There are times when I am slowing down for traffic, so you let off the 1PD accelerator slightly. But I don't know if the brake lights went on behind me. If I knew I had to let go just a little more to get them on for a sec to warn traffic behind me, that would help.

Nobody here has said we need a HUD with 6" letters saying BRAKE LIGHTS ARE ON. All that would be needed is to make a subtle brake light come on the little truck renderings in the dash (like the tire pressure truck). That way for those that don't want it, they can flip to a different screen or better yet have a toggle to turn that feature on or off. My settings screen is full of what I consider useless toggles, but who cares, that's why the option is there. adding another toggle to turn on brake light projection does not hurt anyone.

 

[Firn]

That's not what's being debated here. I think we all agree and understand that's how it works. What is being discussed is the possibility of adding an onscreen indicator so people who don't nerd out on internet forums are better educated on when the brake lights activate while in 1pd. Or at least that was my take on this thread.

No, I get that. The point however is that the brake lights DO illuminate in 1pd drive, at a very low level.

There is little need to show someone when they are illuminating because they ARE illuminating. The only reason to show someone a dash display would be so that they would know when they are not illuminating, but the Lightnings DO illumiate so there is no reason to do so manually.

 

[Mal106]

I would really like a light that indicates when the brake pads are in use. I realize that the braking monitor is a good indicator of not using the pads but I'd like to know more.

 

[Firn]

I would really like a light that indicates when the brake pads are in use. I realize that the braking monitor is a good indicator of not using the pads but I'd like to know more.

If the regen bar exceeds 100% then the brake pads are being used. Otherwise they are only used about 5' from coming to a stop and occasionally during ABS activation.

Maybe not perfect but that regen bar is a really good indication

 

[Maquis]

I want a light to show my tail lights are on.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I want a light to show my tail lights are on.

I want a light to show when my tail lights indicator light is on.
And another, of a different color, to show when my tail lights indicator light is off.

 

[TechnoSwiss]

Give the number of EV's that have been reported for FAILING to trigger the brake lights during regen when they should (see https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/h...rn-other-drivers-during-regenerative-braking/ for examples) I don't think it's an unreasonable request to have the ability to double check that. I also see the lack of desire to have another indicator on the dash (although honestly the Lightning dash has to be one of the most sparse of any car I've driven in the last 10 years, it's an EV I want to to look like the inside of a space ship ). It's also a truck though so it wouldn't be that hard to mount a mirror or something in the bed temporarily so you can see the center brake light and verify for yourself when the light comes on.

 

[GDN]

You can make any EV slow to a stop or decelerate without the brake lights coming, if you do it very gradually and slowly. Hence the story of the police following the guy and getting no brake lights. Dude was driving very easy. Gradually slowing, etc. If you are driving normal and use regen to do some slowing, the brake lights will come on. I bet we would all be amazed at the time Ford, GM, Tesla everyone studied this and programmed the where and how they come on. Sometimes I think it would be nice to have a graphic on the dash too, it's stupid simple to add, but we don't have it. Bottom line. They work.

 

[Zprime29]

The ask isn't for a dedicated spot. Just modify the driver assist icon. It's not like Ford would be breaking ground here since Honda, Subaru, and others already do this.

Some of you should recall the story that's been told a couple times here about getting pulled over for no brake light. In actuality they where just slowing down in stop and go traffic but not enough to trigger the brake light. Cop figured the light was not functional. Now imagine if the driver didn't know better and accused the cop of harassment. If only there was a way for them to see what was going on...

Seriously, the overreaction is surprising here for the general level of intelligence present. Anyone have kids that watch If You Give a Mouse a Cookie? Your dash will be ruined...FOREVER....

Edit: GDN beat me to the reference about the police.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I think it would be a more useful ask to get the US regulations or at least Ford caught up to modern international standards and require stop lamps to light up whenever the vehicle slows at our fastest than some rate, perhaps matching the EU standards. Instead, we have a patchwork of manufacturers not bothering with programming stop lamps to illuminate under deceleration because regen is considered a supplemental braking system rather than service brakes. And by US standards, stop lamps don't have to illuminate unless the service brakes are applied with the intent of slowing the vehicle.

 

[MidAtlanticLightningClub]

Regen level is the same, 1 pedal or not.

Not true. Regan is stronger in 1PD.

 

[MidAtlanticLightningClub]

I've had my Lightning for a couple of weeks, coming from a Tesla Model S. In the Tesla, like the Lightning, there's an animation of the vehicle on the dash screen as you're driving. But in the Tesla, on the animation, the brake lights would light up a certain threshold when regen braking kicked in, indicating that the actual brake lights were being lit. I liked this feature as it would give me confidence that I wouldn't get rear-ended during a significant regen triggered slow-down. Unless I'm missing something, there's no indication in the Lightning that the brake lights are on during significant regen braking. Am I missing something?

Drive in a dark area at night with the bed camera turned on. You’ll see when the brake light comes on.

 

[MidAtlanticLightningClub]

I think it would be a more useful ask to get the US regulations or at least Ford caught up to modern international standards and require stop lamps to light up whenever the vehicle slows at our fastest than some rate, perhaps matching the EU standards.

I don’t know what the EU standards are but Ford uses an accelerometer to measure if deceleration is sufficient to merit activating the brake lights.

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