Ford and Class Action Lawsuit regarding downgrading Lightning

[marlin1060]

Ford slowed an electric truck and now lawsuits are piling up

Has anyone heard about this? I didn't see a mention of which update caused this change.

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[TaxmanHog]

Ford slowed an electric truck and now lawsuits are piling up

Has anyone heard about this? I didn't see a mention of which update caused this change.

A few folks have complained about performance reduction in other threads.

While Ford’s F-150 Lightning update is framed as a safety measure rather than a revenue play, the legal arguments around it are likely to shape how far companies can go when they “improve” vehicles in ways that some owners experience as a downgrade.

In the eyes of the observer, improve could mean long term durability, I place a lot of value on that over quarter mile times with my daily driver. In my eyes, this is a wash, my Lightning has more than sufficient performance for the type of vehicle that it is, I also understand others value performance over durability, Fords accountants in the warranty department made a prudent recommendation to engineering

I have a race bike "VROD DESTROYER" that performs 133% of what a street version VROD could do, it also has higher maintenance costs and frequent failures due to edge of the knife tuning, at the moment I'm refreshing its engine for all those reasons as well as a critical failures caused by hard use, Harley does not warranty any of this, of course the model is now 20 years old next spring!

 

[Heliian]

Let's see the numbers.

The article doesn't give any solid facts. What was the change?

I completely agree with the points of the proposed lawsuit, let's see the details.

 

[The Weatherman]

The difference is @TaxmanHog is that the bike was modified after production. The Lightning maybe being modified by Ford without the owners permission or knowledge and it is taking back a feature that was present at purchase. If they are going to downgrade my vehicles performance after it was delivered to me, it seems like they owe me something.

It’s not like they didn’t know it was rocket ship, they sold the fact that it purposed that level of performance.

If true, not good @Ford Motor Company .

 

[sstevetx]

I’m interested in seeing the data as well to see what exactly is downgraded from a performance perspective. That said, any performance reduction should absolutely require owner consent. One of the main reasons I chose an EV was for its power and acceleration. For Mach-E GT owners, Ford even offers a $1,000 performance upgrade option. If they recognize the value of performance enough to charge for enhancements, it stands to reason that maintaining existing performance should be equally important.

 

[Joe.....Montana]

I haven't noticed any reduction in performance and still feel the full pull of the truck. Although, I have noticed with grand entrance of winter, that the reduction in available power seems to be more aggressive than last winter. Truck has consistently dipped to 86%-90% already this winter whereas last winter I don't remember it dipping below 90%, even on -20F days. I have never hit "100%" power in the winter and rarely do full launches in the summer.

 

[Firn]

This feels really off to me.

If any location on the internet would be aware of a class action lawsuit against ford for updates to the lightning it would be this forum. The fact that NONE of MSNs sourcing for the lawsuit actually work is telling too.

Yes, we have talked performance reductions here but as of yet nobody has been able to verify it.

Frankly, this feels like MSNs AI run wild and randomly merging the forum discussion on the reduce performance, with the calls for a class action over the HIS, and some other CA.

Edit: there is some old discussion on the mach-e forum for a ca on reduced performance over the hv contactor issues.

 

[Gimme_my_MME]

Ford slowed an electric truck and now lawsuits are piling up

Has anyone heard about this? I didn't see a mention of which update caused this change.

Weird, every single citation in that article back to any concrete information is a dead link.

 

[ElectrifyingMe25]

Ford slowed an electric truck and now lawsuits are piling up

Has anyone heard about this? I didn't see a mention of which update caused this change.

I knew it. I was one of the guys who reported the change in performance in the acceleration of my Lightning. There was no doubt that my acceleration was dogged down.

Some of you on this forum acted like I had lost my mind and said Ford wouldn't make such a change. You were wrong, I am right.

How do we joint the class action lawsuit. We have to send a message that they can't bait and switch us to a less capable truck. The least thing they should do is ask for the owners permission to make such a drastic change. Ford is obviously trying to wrap our trucks in bubble wrap until all their warranties are over. However, this is a classic case of bait and switch. I bought my truck because of its performance. Ford used the old Lightning name to draw new owners in because of the reputation it had gained because of the Lightning’s performance.

I didn't buy a 4 cylinder Toyota, I bought a Ford Lightning. I want my Lightning back. Ford slipped into my driveway in the middle of the night and swapped out my truck for something I didn't want. Shame on Ford. We can't allow Ford to get away with this.

 

[ClevelandBeemer]

I’d love to hear actual facts. What was the update and what did the release notes say? What is the measurable reduction in acceleration? What years and trim levels impacted?

 

[TaxmanHog]

The difference is @TaxmanHog is that the bike was modified after production.

WRONG!

The Factory production line built 600 special engines, and assembled them on the CVO branch at the KCMO plant, I know my Destroyer / Harley history.

 

[TaxmanHog]

I'd also love to see one of the big name promoters do another performance test with accelerometers, similar to as done when in 2022 when they were flying around YouTube.

 

[ZSC100]

No lawyer will ever prove this. Acceleration is different week to week in an EV, In addition to being dependent on temp, pressure, SoC, SoH, and how you hold your tongue when you press the accelerator. No OTA was purposely meant to slow down a truck IMO.

Some on here that claim nerfed performance after an update probably had something else going on that just coincided.

All this being said, I welcome ANY lawsuit that forces technical details about software to light. Ford doesn't tell owners hardly anything technical about how they calculate, the GoM, the SoC, the power limits, bad module thresholds in the BMS, etc. etc. This info should be available to owners and software engineers should be able to interview and speak to media about technical software.

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