How Much Battery Capacity And Range Has My Ford F-150 Lightning Lost After 3 Years and 38,000 Miles?

[TaxmanHog]

@tommolog Thanks for the 3 year follow-up!!

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[RickLightning]

28 minute video to learn what the SOH is?

 

[TaxmanHog]

28 minute video to learn what the SOH is?

Ray of sunshine

 

[luebri]

Ray of sunshine

Always

 

[PJnc284]

Ray of sunshine

He must not watch out of spec.

 

[swajames]

@tommolog Another excellent video. Wondered if you have looked at the data via the OBDII port and CarScanner etc to see what the truck reports as its SoH? My 2022 just turned three years old this past month and mine still reports 100% SoH via the OBDII data. I suspect that's the result of slowly releasing some buffer capacity as well, but also question that as it's data Ford doesn't make really available to users so there's really no need to fudge it. The other thing (and maybe your charge tests show this) is that the available capacity was always a bit more than 131 kWh but the truck uses 131 for the calculation anyway. Either way, I'm just as happy as you are that mine still shows full capacity and no degradation after three years.

 

[Timeless Epoch]

Nice to see. I think this really shows, and Tom was heavily implying the same, is the degradation is clearly far less than the environmental factors that effect range.

There are so many variables at play, you cannot draw a strong conclusion on just how much. For example, he has two charging sessions when new that show a 2.2KWh difference as delivered by the dispenser. Which shows there are many variables even when just charging the pack. I'm sure pack temperature plays a role on how efficiently the battery takes a charge, how much pack cooling is needed, climate settings, etc.

Whatever the degradation is, the good news is it is below the ability to reasonably notice it via real world testing.

 

[PJnc284]

Nice to see. I think this really shows, and Tom was heavily implying the same, is the degradation is clearly far less than the environmental factors that effect range.

There are so many variables at play, you cannot draw a strong conclusion on just how much. For example, he has two charging sessions when new that show a 2.2KWh difference as delivered by the dispenser. Which shows there are many variables even when just charging the pack. I'm sure pack temperature plays a role on how efficiently the battery takes a charge, how much pack cooling is needed, climate settings, etc.

Whatever the degradation is, the good news is it is below the ability to reasonably notice it via real world testing.

yeah definitely a lot of variables to consider. Ambient temp, temp of battery, whether or not you're running A/C or heat while charging etc. Just going by efficiency, 287 [email protected]/kWh is 124.7 kWh with the initial run being 270 miles @ 2.1mi/kWh for 128.6kWh so only about a 3% difference. Either way, I'm jealous he got 2.4 at 70mph. I managed 2.4 last weekend on a 120 mile trip that was about 70% 55-65mph highway with about 800ft of elevation loss. Distance/time ended up being a 50mph speed average.

 

[astrand1]

@tommolog Another excellent video. Wondered if you have looked at the data via the OBDII port and CarScanner etc to see what the truck reports as its SoH? My 2022 just turned three years old this past month and mine still reports 100% SoH via the OBDII data. I suspect that's the result of slowly releasing some buffer capacity as well, but also question that as it's data Ford doesn't make really available to users so there's really no need to fudge it. The other thing (and maybe your charge tests show this) is that the available capacity was always a bit more than 131 kWh but the truck uses 131 for the calculation anyway. Either way, I'm just as happy as you are that mine still shows full capacity and no degradation after three years.

Funny I commented on his video just the same thing. I’d be curious what his SOH shows. My bet is either 99-100% still. Update: I just checked mine today and at 20k miles my SOH shows 100%

 

[tommolog]

@tommolog Another excellent video. Wondered if you have looked at the data via the OBDII port and CarScanner etc, to see what the truck reports as its SoH? My 2022 just turned three years old this past month, and mine still reports 100% SoH via the OBDII data. I suspect that's the result of slowly releasing some buffer capacity as well, but also question that as it's data Ford doesn't make really available to users, so there's really no need to fudge it. The other thing (and maybe your charge tests show this) is that the available capacity was always a bit more than 131 kWh but the truck uses 131 for the calculation anyway. Either way, I'm just as happy as you are that mine still shows full capacity and no degradation after three years.

Thank you. I haven't used an OBDII -yet. I made a decision early on not to use one. There are a LOT of YouTubers out there using them, and I fully support that - I have nothing against using one.
But I thought a lot about it for myself, and I decided I didn't want to use one in my videos.

I try to make my videos easilly consumable for those that aren't really very EV-knowledgable. (Nothing against folks like those here that are real EV enthusiasts and want all of the geeky EV data they can get).

I don't like the optics of using one in my videos because I think it scares some of the newcomers to EVs. I remember years ago reading the comments on a Nissan LEAF video where the person was using one and quite a few people stated that they don't want to buy a car that they need to plug in a computer to understand how it's working.

Now this was the early days of EVs, and there were more naysayers then there are now - although we still have a lot of them. So I decided to try to make my video reviews more like they were being made for people who are considering an EV and want a simple, layman's explanation of how they work. I may rethink that approach, but that's why I haven't used one to date.

 

[tommolog]

28 minute video to learn what the SOH is?

That's what the video chapters are for. Just click "conclusion", and the video is only 2 minutes long

 

[CD4TNF]

Thank you. I haven't used an OBDII -yet. I made a decision early on not to use one. There are a LOT of YouTubers out there using them, and I fully support that - I have nothing against using one.
But I thought a lot about it for myself, and I decided I didn't want to use one in my videos.

I try to make my videos easilly consumable for those that aren't really very EV-knowledgable. (Nothing against folks like those here that are real EV enthusiasts and want all of the geeky EV data they can get).

I don't like the optics of using one in my videos because I think it scares some of the newcomers to EVs. I remember years ago reading the comments on a Nissan LEAF video where the person was using one and quite a few people stated that they don't want to buy a car that they need to plug in a computer to understand how it's working.

Now this was the early days of EVs, and there were more naysayers then there are now - although we still have a lot of them. So I decided to try to make my video reviews more like they were being made for people who are considering an EV and want a simple, layman's explanation of how they work. I may rethink that approach, but that's why I haven't used one to date.

Thank you for your approachable content. I watch your content because it is friendly and easy to understand.

 

[tommolog]

Thank you for your approachable content. I watch your content because it is friendly and easy to understand.

Thanks. That's the goal. Sometimes I reshoot scenes because I think it's getting too deep for a lot of the newbies.

 

[jthiesse13]

@tommolog Thanks for the 3 year follow-up!!

I spoke to a Ford dealer on the phone today and he said he looked my truck up and it showed 96% SOH on my hi voltage battery. I have 2023 Lariat ER. I asked him how I could see that info for myself and he said I couldn't. I'd like to know after 2 years/31,000 miles how my battery is doing.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

28 minute video to learn what the SOH is?

Personally, I thought that was just about the right amount of detail. Out of spec would have found some way to turn that into a 3 hour two-parter.

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