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Standard Range Battery vs Extended Range Battery

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300 miles is minimum. Plan for 50% usable range, during winter, even without towing.
I think the winter hit will be much less fun that this truck. Almost minimal if you utilize the seat heaters rather than cabin heat. Even in my golf the heater/winter hit is around 25%. Given the miles per kWh on the F 150, having a 6-8kW heater running will use up less range. If this truck gets 2.5 mpkWh then you’d lose less than 10 miles of range per hour the heater is on. Depending on the thermal management the cells will hold less energy than in optimal temps. No way this thing only goes 50% epa in the winter.

 
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Another thing to consider is the deterioration of range over time. I have a 2011 Chevy Volt, which had a range of 35 miles (before the gas engine kicks in) when it was new. After almost 11 years, that's down to closer to 25 miles -- a 28% loss. Maybe Li-ion battery tech improvements in the past decade will make a dent in that, but just something to be aware of. If you plan to keep your electric vehicle going for 20 years, a (very expensive) battery replacement is likely in the cards.
Not sure this will be a long term for me...will lease this as tech improves so fast. Like our $1000 phones we bought 3 years ago that is now worth $20 sitting on a shelf somewhere. Probably bounce around from Ford to Dodge as i'm a Dodge guy at heart. Just sold a Hellcat and am looking forward to their E Muscle car in 2024. Will stay with electric though as i love instant torque and hate gas prices!
 

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I think battery degradation over time is the biggest reason to go ER over SR. Every case is going to be different, but knowing that your capable of going, for example, 270 miles over 200 miles in 5 years (making up the numbers) is probably worth the ER battery.
 

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I think the winter hit will be much less fun that this truck. Almost minimal if you utilize the seat heaters rather than cabin heat. Even in my golf the heater/winter hit is around 25%. Given the miles per kWh on the F 150, having a 6-8kW heater running will use up less range. If this truck gets 2.5 mpkWh then you’d lose less than 10 miles of range per hour the heater is on. Depending on the thermal management the cells will hold less energy than in optimal temps. No way this thing only goes 50% epa in the winter.
Don't forget the capacity loss after a year or two!

You want to avoid charging to 100% and 90% is more practical, you have to leave 10-15% buffer before you start to find a charging station, winter would reduce battery capacity by 20%, you need to drive on freeway at 75mph so you get another 15% hit.

All these together, plan 150-160 miles with ER during winter is reasonable assumption.
 

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Don't forget the capacity loss after a year or two!

You want to avoid charging to 100% and 90% is more practical, you have to leave 10-15% buffer before you start to find a charging station, winter would reduce battery capacity by 20%, you need to drive on freeway at 75mph so you get another 15% hit.

All these together, plan 150-160 miles with ER during winter is reasonable assumption.
It is doubtful that you would be able to charge to 100% SOC of the actual capacity, and if you could, that is a good reason to avoid that company since their battery engineers suck. The dash may show 100% capacity, but the BMS should have limited the charge to less than 90% of the actual capacity. The same applies to the lower SOC...it should never allow you to get down to the actual 0% SOC.

That said, you STILL don't want to charge 100% of the rated capacity, nor get down below 20% of the rated capacity.

As far as cold temperatures, I'm seeing more OEMs going through a preheat of the pack well before your normal drive time. This will allow the pack to perform as per normal, but you will still lose some range as it uses that pack to warm the pack.
 


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Would be nice to have some real world winter conditions testing done before A guy plunks down 80k+ Canadian just to be shocked in a bad way in winter 2022. Unfortunately order banks open before testing would be complete.

I’m sure it will be fine. A guy from work drove his 2012 Tesla every winter up here in Alberta without issue. That’ll be 10 year old tech with degradation by the time we get our trucks.
 

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Would be nice to have some real world winter conditions testing done before A guy plunks down 80k+ Canadian just to be shocked in a bad way in winter 2022. Unfortunately order banks open before testing would be complete.

I’m sure it will be fine. A guy from work drove his 2012 Tesla every winter up here in Alberta without issue. That’ll be 10 year old tech with degradation by the time we get our trucks.
Tesla was one of the first OEMs that I documented that would preheat the pack when we soaked it at -30C. Several OEMs do that now. I do not know if SK Innovation will be doing it to the F-150 pack, nor have I found out that LG Chem is doing it for the Mustang Mach E. I will find out about the Mach E in about 2 months ;)

 

 
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