Charging home battery backup system using F150 lightning

[boandabby]

Yes I can. The Ecoflow does pass through power. Plug in the truck with the inverter running the house. I set the charging rate to 4,800 watts and it charges the ecoflow and runs the house via a generac transfer switch. The Ecoflow is plugged into the house with the transfer switch. So it is seamless and I never have to shut it down.

Wow, this is a very cool feature. I did not know it. I guess the inverter (from the ecoflow) works as "pass through charging".

But 4,800 watts may not be enough to power the whole house. I have a 5-ton AC and a 3-ton AC.

For those who want to install a similar system, Costco has a great deal on ecoflow (18kwh for only $6500), and you can get 30% tax credit. It is nice to see that these battery price dropped so much...

Sponsored

 

[boandabby]

I run an RV shore power cable from the trucks 240v outlet to the generator port on my EG4 12000xp. Works great to charge my batteries, I have a home solar setup using mostly ecoworthy stuff, trackers, panels, batteries.

In order to bypass the trucks built in neutral bond, do NOT connect the ground lead from the truck, only the 2 lines and neutral are used. Yes it's NEC compliant regardless what any arm chair electrician tells you.

1 (one) neutral bond is required at the 1st disconnect which is your homes main panel, the truck DOES NOT have a true ground. All of your homes ground circuit protection remains intact and your truck won't shock you when connected.

The big black cable on the floor is that shore power cable.

For my case, I do not need to worry about the neutral bond issue, right? I am planning to connect the ecoworth charger directly to the truck bed through this cable:
Amazon.com: RVGUARD 4 Prong 30 Amp 50 Foot Generator Extension Cord, NEMA L14-30P/L14-30R, 125/250V Up to 7500W 10 Gauge SJTW Cord with Organizer, ETL Listed : Patio, Lawn & Garden

And then I connect the battery terminals to my busbar terminals. I think that will work. I am not an eletrician, but hope I will not make any mistake.

 

[Mustang11s]

They have the new delta pro ultra X. Has double the size inverter and double the solar.

 

[Mustang11s]

I think you should be good

 

[RLXXI]

Keep in mind you're looking at approx. 25% additional loss with the AC - DC - AC in and out of the battery pack...

That is subject to the product in use, some are better than others.

 

[chl]

My suggestion: Always ask an electrician about the NEC and grounding a separately derived system (250.30(A)) before you cut an ground wire.

 

[Thunder240]

Hey, I’m wondering if anyone has tried charging a Delta Pro via its AC input from the Lightning’s 240V 30A receptacle using a NEMA L14-30 to L6-30 adapter followed by L6-30 to IEC C13 power cord? The DP docs claim that the AC input supports 120-240V (up to 12.5A in 240V mode), but the supplied AC cord is for 120V. If you’ve tried it, did it work, or did the DP’s protection circuitry trip?

Alternatively, has anyone tried L14-30 to 14-50 to Ford 30A connector/coupler/control box to Ecoflow EV X-Stream adapter?

I imagine the latter would support faster charge (if it works).

 

[TaxmanHog]

Hey, I’m wondering if anyone has tried charging a Delta Pro via its AC input from the Lightning’s 240V 30A receptacle using a NEMA L14-30 to L6-30 adapter followed by L6-30 to IEC C13 power cord? The DP docs claim that the AC input supports 120-240V (up to 12.5A in 240V mode), but the supplied AC cord is for 120V. If you’ve tried it, did it work, or did the DP’s protection circuitry trip?

Alternatively, has anyone tried L14-30 to 14-50 to Ford 30A connector/coupler/control box to Ecoflow EV X-Stream adapter?

I imagine the latter would support faster charge (if it works).

I have not personally tried this, but way back when the DP's were coming on the market, I was in a FB group and a couple of members got the appropriate 240 style input cord, and had a (house grid) 240 outlet of the appropriate type, the system did charge with the 240v input with no issues.

So, I'd suspect with the correct input cable and adapters that it should also work with PPOB.

 

[Ejunge]

You Live in Texas, HAve you simply Looked at BASE power? You give up some control of the batteries while the grid is working, but the newest version of the batteries are coming out with a built in Generator Plug. You can use either a generator or your truck to supply the recharge power. BASE owns (and Maintains) the batteries, but the rate that they gave me was cheaper than the one that I was getting from my previous power company.

 

[tearitupsports]

You Live in Texas, HAve you simply Looked at BASE power? You give up some control of the batteries while the grid is working, but the newest version of the batteries are coming out with a built in Generator Plug. You can use either a generator or your truck to supply the recharge power. BASE owns (and Maintains) the batteries, but the rate that they gave me was cheaper than the one that I was getting from my previous power company.

Actually if you live in a market (ERCOT) that BASE power serves, you are way better off with your own batteries if you can afford the up front cost. By choosing the right plan, and shifting your load, you can essentially get free electricity for the home and vehicle. Since getting my Sigenergy system, I have paid about $30 a month in electricity. The brand doesn't matter as the Ecoflow or the original posters setup could do the same.
When you sign up for BASE, you are paying a monthly due to basically allow them to get all the financial benefit of the battery. They kick back a small portion to get your cost / kwh a tiny bit lower than a standard plan.


Here is my December bill where I paid about 1.5 cent / kWh.

 

[chl]

Hey, I’m wondering if anyone has tried charging a Delta Pro via its AC input from the Lightning’s 240V 30A receptacle using a NEMA L14-30 to L6-30 adapter followed by L6-30 to IEC C13 power cord? The DP docs claim that the AC input supports 120-240V (up to 12.5A in 240V mode), but the supplied AC cord is for 120V. If you’ve tried it, did it work, or did the DP’s protection circuitry trip?

Alternatively, has anyone tried L14-30 to 14-50 to Ford 30A connector/coupler/control box to Ecoflow EV X-Stream adapter?

I imagine the latter would support faster charge (if it works).

If you have the wiring diagram, look and see if the neutral is grounded in the Delta. If it is, then the Lightning GFCI will trip and you'd need to have a neutral switching transfer switch to avoid that.

I think there was a previous question in a thread along the same lines where someone was using a generator input to a home backup system their solar was using, but the Lightning was tripping.

 

[Thunder240]

I haven’t found a wiring diagram of the DP yet. But in any case, your point would seem to apply to the DP’s AC input, but I don’t think the infinity port and EV X-Stream adapter work the same way. The Ford PPOB sees the Ford coupler/control box, and the coupler/control box does some sort of digital handshake with the downstream device, ie the DP’s infinity port. Ecoflow’s docs claim they created the infinity port to provide “USB-like functionality” together with power. I’m not suggesting it’s magic, just complicated and poorly documented!

If you have the wiring diagram, look and see if the neutral is grounded in the Delta. If it is, then the Lightning GFCI will trip and you'd need to have a neutral switching transfer switch to avoid that.

I think there was a previous question in a thread along the same lines where someone was using a generator input to a home backup system their solar was using, but the Lightning was tripping.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I have the EcoWorthy and a DIY battery setup. The Ecoworthy works just fine to charge the batteries. I have yet to configure it to communicate with the battery BMS. You can direct connect it to the battery bus bar, set the amps, and monitor it. If you are careful not to overcharge, things are fine. If you want to set up communications between the battery and the EcoWorthy, you’ll need to make sure you have a cable that allows you to match the pinouts between the battery’s CAN port and the EcoWorthy CAN port. Some devices have CAN-H on pin 4 and some have it on pin 5.

 

[chl]

I haven’t found a wiring diagram of the DP yet. But in any case, your point would seem to apply to the DP’s AC input, but I don’t think the infinity port and EV X-Stream adapter work the same way. The Ford PPOB sees the Ford coupler/control box, and the coupler/control box does some sort of digital handshake with the downstream device, ie the DP’s infinity port. Ecoflow’s docs claim they created the infinity port to provide “USB-like functionality” together with power. I’m not suggesting it’s magic, just complicated and poorly documented!

Interesting, I'll have to look that up and see what I can learn.

But the Ford PPOB doesn't do any digital handshake with any down stream device as far as I know, it just provides inverter output AC to the receptacles on the truck, e.g., in the bed for 120VAC and if you have the 9.6kW version, also a 30A 240VAC receptacle.

And it seems the EV-X-Stream adapter is to charge the EcoFlow from a J1772 EVSE electric vehicle charging station, so that would provide the J1772 handshaking to the EVSE, like I suppose the Ford Charge Station Pro (FCSP) or the Ford Mobil Power Cord (FMPC).

This is what I read:

Introducing the EcoFlow EV X-Stream Adapter – the ultimate solution for seamless and efficient charging of your DELTA Pro via level 2 EV charging stations for electric cars.

Get super fast 3400W charging from EV charging stations at home, or on the road and charge your DELTA Pro to full in 1.7 hours, that's faster than most power banks, let alone power stations.

Wide Compatibility: Supports Type 1 connectors (SAE J1772 connector). This makes your portable power supply chargeable at thousands of EV charging stations.

So the PPOB could be used to provide AC input, but not with the EV-X adapter alone.

Now you could plug the 30A Ford Mobile Power Cord into the 30A 240V outlet in the bed of the truck and use the EV-X adapter that way....maybe that was what you meant?

 

[Thunder240]

Now you could plug the 30A Ford Mobile Power Cord into the 30A 240V outlet in the bed of the truck and use the EV-X adapter that way....maybe that was what you meant?

Yes, that’s exactly what I meant! Basically, this, but going into the EV X-Stream adapter instead of another vehicle

Sponsored