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I found a 40kw DC charger specifically designed to charge a EV DC to DC from a big solar array for about $1,500. (Not 6 figures) I’m waiting for the manufacturer to get back to me to confirm, specs, pricing and availability.
Thanks again for your reply…
For $1500?? Wow, that would be a very reasonable price from other offerings I saw.
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I found a 40kw DC charger specifically designed to charge a EV DC to DC from a big solar array for about $1,500.
^^^ This is what I would do.

I have an Emporia 48 amp L2 charger that is tied in with my solar monitoring system. I can charge the Lightning anytime with excess solar. The Emporia charger adjusts its output from a few amps to 48 amps based on the unused solar capacity and adjusts in real time to account for clouds and shade.
 

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I do wonder why it was a dual charger setup and not one charger that could handle 80a. Maybe they designed it so that they could derate the charging speed in the future by just removing a charger instead of designing a new 48a one. Or maybe there is a technical reason it had to be two.
Could be because of the SR battery models design with one SR battery and one charger - the ER adds a second battery "pack" and a second charger.

NOTE: That was wrong, they just pack some (8) modules with more cells...

Maybe they developed the SR set-up first then thought, let's give it more battery/range and then thought oh, heck, one 48A charger is not enough for the larger battery, we need another charger?

Or something like that...
 
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2) DC Charging - You mentioned this - it is a more expensive option than L2 charging and cheaper than trying to add the 2nd onboard charger. DC charging is not limited by the onboard L2 charger capacity and it is more efficient than converting solar DC to AC with your home inverter and then back from AC to DC by the Lightning's onboard charger to charge the Lightning. You probably have around 15%-18% loss with the dual conversion, and efficiency can be improved a fair bit with DC-DC charging.
Yes.

Some DC-AC inverters alone could be a 20% loss of efficiency and we all have probably seen up to a 10% loss when charging (from the on-board Lightning AC-DC and wiring losses).

A high efficiency DC-AC inverter might be in the 90-95% range depending on other factors, like load resistance, temperature, etc.

I wonder if any of the solar installs also added wind turbines - they will work after the sun goes down as long as there is a breeze?

I have a second house I inherited in a place with lots of sun during the day and good southern exposures, but also in an area that has nearly constant trade winds day and night, so when I have the $ I am hoping to install a system so I can get energy from both natural sources.

Yes, wind turbines may require more maintenance with moving parts and all.
 

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^^^ This is what I would do.

I have an Emporia 48 amp L2 charger that is tied in with my solar monitoring system. I can charge the Lightning anytime with excess solar. The Emporia charger adjusts its output from a few amps to 48 amps based on the unused solar capacity and adjusts in real time to account for clouds and shade.
Interesting what’s happening, I followed your suggestion to charge the truck while still topping up my house batteries and obviously running the house load. The truck immediately drew its max of 9.6kw as shown on the app. The house battery charging dropped that same amount and everything in the house is still running as normal. I have a bit of haze today so I’m only getting 33kw in from the sun. My system obviously prioritizes the house load (including the truck) over charging my house batteries,
But your suggestion works, thanks again. If nothing else I get more charge earlier into the truck….!
 

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Interesting what’s happening, I followed your suggestion to charge the truck while still topping up my house batteries and obviously running the house load. The truck immediately drew its max of 9.6kw as shown on the app. The house battery charging dropped that same amount and everything in the house is still running as normal. I have a bit of haze today so I’m only getting 33kw in from the sun. My system obviously prioritizes the house load (including the truck) over charging my house batteries,
But your suggestion works, thanks again. If nothing else I get more charge earlier into the truck….!
For the occasional case where you wouldn't have enough solar to run the house loads and the charger at the same time, you'll probably find your house batteries would kick in and make up the difference. In those cases, your house batteries may run a deficit for a while. That would be a watch item on cloudy days. A setup like my Emporia EVSE would simply stop charging the truck or reduce the charge rate if there isn't enough solar to go around. You would be able to set it up to prioritize house loads first, then either house batteries or EV charging as you see fit.
 

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Could be because of the SR battery models design with one SR battery and one charger - the ER adds a second battery "pack" and a second charger.
The difference in SR vs ER is the composition of cells within the modules, they have same number of modules.
 

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The difference in SR vs ER is the composition of cells within the modules, they have same number of modules.
@chl, also look at this post which quotes the Service Manual. ;)
 
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I wonder if any of the solar installs also added wind turbines - they will work after the sun goes down as long as there is a breeze?
Wind turbines small enough for consumer use are mostly worthless, better off adding more pv panels. The amount of wind required to push them is insufficient unless you live on a mountain top or somewhere the wind stays above 25mph all the time.
 

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Wind turbines small enough for consumer use are mostly worthless, better off adding more pv panels. The amount of wind required to push them is insufficient unless you live on a mountain top or somewhere the wind stays above 25mph all the time.
Well that would be my other house...it's in the tropics and the trade winds blow pretty much all the time - a rare day when there is no wind. And my house is near the top of a hill (Lat and Long: 16.7471N, 62.22605W, elevation: 328 ft above sea level).

I barely use 10kWh per day there, mostly for ceiling fans and the big draw is the refrigerator, sometimes run the washing machine once a week or so - the sun and wind dry the clothes, have a gas range, LED lights, not much used by the TV and stereo.

A small turbine VAWT (vertical axis) is what I am considering.

But actually there ARE turbines designed for low speed wind - whether they are worth it depends a lot on your energy storage capabilities and energy needs.

I haven't kept track of the wind speed at my house. Next visit I'll see what I can determine.

But there is a pair of commercial wind turbines up on an adjacent hill (St Georges Hill) that were operational producing about 200kW before the volcano became active again beginning in 1995 and then had a major catastrophic event in 1997. They are too close to the volcano dome now to be repaired and made operational.

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There is no grid-tie available yet - they keep talking about implementing that but things move slow on "island time."

That is one thing holding me back from installing solar and wind there, that and the costs of shipping and import duties. Then there is the risk the volcano will get active again - been quiet since 2010, at the surface anyway. Below ground, still growling.

Volcanic ash is very acidic, producing acid rain that is good at dissolving metal quickly. And it is heavy. That is one thing to consider if I put solar panel on my roof - I have a lot of south facing yard I could utilize instead which would make cleaning ash off panels easier.

Then there is the possibility of a hurricane - Hurricane Hugo was a direct hit at cat 4 or 5 and shut down Air Studios Montserrat for good in 1989.

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Well that would be my other house...it's in the tropics and the trade winds blow pretty much all the time - a rare day when there is no wind. And my house is near the top of a hill (Lat and Long: 16.7471N, 62.22605W, elevation: 328 ft above sea level)....

Always something..
A view of the volcano dome from my house in 2024 on a rare clear day - it's about 3 miles as the humming bird flies away:

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Well that would be my other house...it's in the tropics and the trade winds blow pretty much all the time - a rare day when there is no wind. And my house is near the top of a hill (Lat and Long: 16.7471N, 62.22605W, elevation: 328 ft above sea level).

I barely use 10kWh per day there, mostly for ceiling fans and the big draw is the refrigerator, sometimes run the washing machine once a week or so - the sun and wind dry the clothes, have a gas range, LED lights, not much used by the TV and stereo.

A small turbine VAWT (vertical axis) is what I am considering.

But actually there ARE turbines designed for low speed wind - whether they are worth it depends a lot on your energy storage capabilities and energy needs.

I haven't kept track of the wind speed at my house. Next visit I'll see what I can determine.

But there is a pair of commercial wind turbines up on an adjacent hill (St Georges Hill) that were operational producing about 200kW before the volcano became active again beginning in 1995 and then had a major catastrophic event in 1997. They are too close to the volcano dome now to be repaired and made operational.

2006-2-26 St Georges Hill Trip 034.jpg



There is no grid-tie available yet - they keep talking about implementing that but things move slow on "island time."

That is one thing holding me back from installing solar and wind there, that and the costs of shipping and import duties. Then there is the risk the volcano will get active again - been quiet since 2010, at the surface anyway. Below ground, still growling.

Volcanic ash is very acidic, producing acid rain that is good at dissolving metal quickly. And it is heavy. That is one thing to consider if I put solar panel on my roof - I have a lot of south facing yard I could utilize instead which would make cleaning ash off panels easier.

Then there is the possibility of a hurricane - Hurricane Hugo was a direct hit at cat 4 or 5 and shut down Air Studios Montserrat for good in 1989.

Always something..
WOW Montserrat?
Cool place to live…
 
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The difference in SR vs ER is the composition of cells within the modules, they have same number of modules.
Oh, ok, ...so they both have an HV battery arrangement with 9 modules, but some modules, apparently 8, have more cells in the ER.
That's a strange way to do it.

@chl, also look at this post which quotes the Service Manual. ;)
Thanks.
Even stranger...so the "mid-range" battery - 5P90S is the Flash HV battery I guess - six 55 cell modules and three 40 cell modules.

So if I follow this correctly:

480 cells = 131 kwh battery in the ER (8 x 55 + 1 x 40) or 96 series groups of 5 parallel cells
450 cells = 123 kwh battery in the Flash (6 x 55 + 3 x 40) or 90 series groups of 5 parallel cells
360 cells = 98 kwh battery in the SR (9 x 40) or 90 series groups of 4 parallel cells

They all have 9 modules and the 9 modules all take up the same physical space in the truck.
Also, the SR and Flash have one 11kW charger, while the ER has two 9.6kW chargers.

Learn something new every day I guess.

Thanks for the info, but...

It still leaves me wondering about the on-board chargers selection, lol.
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