Ram Rev video (Preview)

[Lytning]

Also, by building a vehicle that is essentially a fully functional EV, albeit with a slightly smaller battery, even if there were to be some sort of mechanical failure with the gas engine portion of the drivetrain, the vehicle remains driveable, just with reduced range.

On the other hand, a failure in the electric drivetrain or low voltage system, stops everything ... as we Lightning owners have learned with our troublesome undersized 35 amp-hour 12 volt batteries.

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[kf59]

Sounds like the buyer gets the downsides of both an EV and an ICE with little to no benefit over either except for range anxiety alleviation which most of us are over by now. Tilts the scale toward leasing for me - if I could ever be caught dead in a Dodge. Washed my hands of them when I laid to rest my 1967 Dart.

Not sure if this is semi old news but for those curious about Dodge Rev .... Which apparently is what Ford is trying to emulate.



92kwh battery (not sure if that is 100% usable), claimed 145 mile of range on pure battery(wonder what real world avg will be, bet it wont be the claimed 145 miles in real life), a 6 cylinder 130kwh gas "generator". The REV has a 27 gallon fuel tank and has regenerative braking. Rated towing limit is: 14k, 2k payload.

Dodge states a 695 mile total range. That figure includes the 145 battery range. If you subtract the 145mile battery range total ends up at 546 miles. That's 546 miles you would be using your gas "generator". 546 is like 20 mpg

The highlight for me was the company rep talking about how the "generator" is not mechanically tied to the wheels.
He went on to say "all it does is just provides power to the battery or the electric motors !? as opposed to turning a crank shaft that in turn will end up turning the wheels?

Basically if you are towing I bet you'll probably get 20-30 miles of battery range (a guess based on towing test in Lightning and what towing does to the range).

Touted benefits: 1) Won't have to use a route planner. 2) Enough range for around town. 3) No range anxiety (because most of your driving after 149 miles will be from the "generator" while it also works to charge the batteries (at least that's my understanding of things).

I've stated my belief these things are a terrible compromise made because of the devil.

This is a hybrid rebranded. It's a technical got ya. It's more ICE in operation than EV and that's the point.

 

[djwildstar]

I've stated my belief these things are a terrible compromise made because of the devil.
This is a hybrid rebranded.

Yes, same here -- this is what I've been saying about EREVs for a while now. By my math, it gets about 1.6 mi/kWh on electric power, and roughly 20 MPG on gasoline. So not only is this a re-branded hybrid, it is a hybrid that manages to be less-efficient than vehicles currently on the market.

After driving the Lightning, I don't want to drive combustion-powered vehicles ever again.

 

[reddog21]

Except that the engine has nothing to do with towing !? It's not even connected to the wheels, remember. All it needs to do is produce enough power to drive the generator

I'm well aware that it's not at the wheels, it doesn't matter. It's all about sustained power regardless if it's at the wheels or to the battery. when you are towing 14,000 lbs up a mountain grade, the dual electric motors are pulling massive amounts of energy. A small 4-cylinder would have to run at redline (high RPM) constantly to keep up with that electrical demand. The Pentastar can produce that necessary wattage at a much more "relaxed" and efficient RPM range, I'm assuming.

You could argue, why does it need to tow 14,000 lbs? That’s a discussion to have with the Ram engineers.

 

[MountainAlive]

Isn't 145 miles a bit low for 92kwh? I suppose that might be the physical battery capacity and there are large buffers reducing useable capacity.

I noticed this too. Maybe it has a really large low end buffer to prevent you from completely draining the usable battery. Otherwise you’d be stuck waiting for the onboard engine to recharge the battery before you could go anywhere. And the gas truck people buying this would lose their minds if they realized they had to wait to charge.

 

[Zaptor]

Holy hell, lol. I thought *maybe* this was Canada dollars, but nope, says EPA/DOT right there, which are obv American... $112k and it's a Laramie; not a Longhorn, Limited, or Tungsten which as higher trims than Laramie would all be even MORE expensive. I think they are going to sell like three of these at this kind of price and will end up selling them at a HUGE loss to get rid of them (just like F). I had a reservation deposit for the BEV RAM but when they replaced it with EREV I got my money back. Not sure who the customer is for a $112k Laramie but I'm gonna start some popcorn... you could buy a nice Lightning AND a nice ICE RAM for that... $48K Lightning (https://www.grangerford.com/new-Des+Moines-2025-Ford-F+150+Lightning-XLT-1FTVW3LK3SWG24328) plus a $52k Laramie (https://www.thesmithgroup.com/new/Ram/2025-Ram-1500-e88fe3b2ac1837348d2b5601271c9382.htm) = $100k and you've got 2 trucks and $12k cash lol
-Zap (a former 3x RAM owner)

 

[Zprime29]

Holy hell, lol. I thought *maybe* this was Canada dollars, but nope, says EPA/DOT right there, which are obv American... $112k and it's a Laramie; not a Longhorn, Limited, or Tungsten which as higher trims than Laramie would all be even MORE expensive. I think they are going to sell like three of these at this kind of price and will end up selling them at a HUGE loss to get rid of them (just like F). I had a reservation deposit for the BEV RAM but when they replaced it with EREV I got my money back. Not sure who the customer is for a $112k Laramie but I'm gonna start some popcorn... you could buy a nice Lightning AND a nice ICE RAM for that... $48K Lightning (https://www.grangerford.com/new-Des+Moines-2025-Ford-F+150+Lightning-XLT-1FTVW3LK3SWG24328) plus a $52k Laramie (https://www.thesmithgroup.com/new/Ram/2025-Ram-1500-e88fe3b2ac1837348d2b5601271c9382.htm) = $100k and you've got 2 trucks and $12k cash lol
-Zap (a former 3x RAM owner)

I don't trust a display from a car show. Edmunds and Consumer Reports both think base price will be $65k. That seems much more likely. I find it difficult to believe Ram would pull the BEV version and then turn around and try to sell the EREV at a ridiculous price. But then again, I continue to be amazed at just how shortsighted company decision makers can be.

 

[Zaptor]

I don't trust a display from a car show. <snip>

I'd agree if this were dealership "ADM"/"market price" shenanigans, but that's a federally mandated (and illegal to alter) Monroney sticker with the price on it; if you zoom in you can actually read the text that says THIS LABEL IS ADDED TO THIS VEHICLE TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW. THE LABEL CANNOT BE REMOVED OR ALTERED PRIOR TO DELIVERY TO THE ULTIMATE CUSTOMER. The Monroney literally exists to prevent pricing games. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroney_sticker I guess it's possible if someone was unaware that it was illegal to alter, and I'd love to believe a large manufacturer wouldn't make such mistakes; in any case, we'll just have to wait and see... (but I'm not buying at *any* price)
Cheers
Zap

 

[Zprime29]

I'd agree if this were dealership "ADM"/"market price" shenanigans, but that's a federally mandated (and illegal to alter) Monroney sticker with the price on it; if you zoom in you can actually read the text that says THIS LABEL IS ADDED TO THIS VEHICLE TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW. THE LABEL CANNOT BE REMOVED OR ALTERED PRIOR TO DELIVERY TO THE ULTIMATE CUSTOMER. The Monroney literally exists to prevent pricing games. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroney_sticker I guess it's possible if someone was unaware that it was illegal to alter, and I'd love to believe a large manufacturer wouldn't make such mistakes; in any case, we'll just have to wait and see... (but I'm not buying at *any* price)
Cheers
Zap

It's also for a 2025 model, which never went for sale.

 

[woodsman]

Not sure if this is semi old news but for those curious about Dodge Rev .... Which apparently is what Ford is trying to emulate.



92kwh battery (not sure if that is 100% usable), claimed 145 mile of range on pure battery(wonder what real world avg will be, bet it wont be the claimed 145 miles in real life), a 6 cylinder 130kwh gas "generator". The REV has a 27 gallon fuel tank and has regenerative braking. Rated towing limit is: 14k, 2k payload.

Dodge states a 695 mile total range. That figure includes the 145 battery range. If you subtract the 145mile battery range total ends up at 546 miles. That's 546 miles you would be using your gas "generator". 546 is like 20 mpg

The highlight for me was the company rep talking about how the "generator" is not mechanically tied to the wheels.
He went on to say "all it does is just provides power to the battery or the electric motors !? as opposed to turning a crank shaft that in turn will end up turning the wheels?

Basically if you are towing I bet you'll probably get 20-30 miles of battery range (a guess based on towing test in Lightning and what towing does to the range).

Touted benefits: 1) Won't have to use a route planner. 2) Enough range for around town. 3) No range anxiety (because most of your driving after 149 miles will be from the "generator" while it also works to charge the batteries (at least that's my understanding of things).

I've stated my belief these things are a terrible compromise made because of the devil.

This is a hybrid rebranded. It's a technical got ya. It's more ICE in operation than EV and that's the point.

Pricetag?

 

[Quibbs]

Pricetag?

Probably 100k+

 

[MichaelCA]

7500 lb curb weight while extremely chonky, its lighter than what I was expecting from Dodge. (still over 700 lbs heavier than the lightning ER though)

 

[Altivec]

I noticed this too. Maybe it has a really large low end buffer to prevent you from completely draining the usable battery. Otherwise you’d be stuck waiting for the onboard engine to recharge the battery before you could go anywhere. And the gas truck people buying this would lose their minds if they realized they had to wait to charge.

It has a battery slightly smaller than the standard range lightning but its weight is greater than an Extended range lightning. Of course it's going to be less range and efficiency than a BEV... It's got to carry an engine and fuel/tank around when in BEV mode. Same goes when using it in V6 mode. You're hauling around a 1200lb battery and electric motors for nothing so it's going to be less efficient than an ICE truck with just the same V6. Worst of both worlds on display.

 

[Altivec]

I don't trust a display from a car show. Edmunds and Consumer Reports both think base price will be $65k. That seems much more likely. I find it difficult to believe Ram would pull the BEV version and then turn around and try to sell the EREV at a ridiculous price. But then again, I continue to be amazed at just how shortsighted company decision makers can be.

How can that be... It's basically got everything a Standard Range Lightning has so that's the base portion of the price right there. Then you got to add it the engine, fuel tank, cooling, inverters, exhaust, etc... Also Remember Ford was losing 20k per Lightning at the prices they were at. They are planing on this being a low volume niche truck which also means high production costs. No way this thing is going to be cheap. 100k+ sounds about right to me.

 

[TwentyTwentyThree]

Stellantis is a business. This is a product. But…

As an EV owner - I’m not interested.
People that use trucks for trucking - likely not interested.
Middle of the road truck buyer - can get something for 1/2 the price.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/57a0ae67-cda9-4911-8c77-efbda5da0ce1/



so who is the target audience for something like this?

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